AYN RAND -TV INTERVIEW - MIKE WALLACE 1959
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AYN RAND -TV INTERVIEW -MIKE WALLACE 1959 PART 1
http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=468&title=AY...
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AYN RAND -TV INTERVIEW -MIKE WALLACE 1959 PART 2
http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=469&title=AY...
AYN RAND -TV INTERVIEW -MIKE WALLACE 1959 PART 3
http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=470&title=AY...
Thanks for this.Â
Thanks for this. Bookmarked. I've been looking for Ayn Rand footage for ages.Â
 [note; this is not an endorsement; I loathe the poor misguided soul, just like Trotsky; see Turnbull's "the Mountain People" for explanation...
And in case you have no
And in case you have no idea what I'm talking about, a reviewer on Amazon writes:
“Turnbull's study of the Ik is less known than his Forest People, yet speaks with far more relevance to our present condition. The formerly prosperous, but now starving Ik, scratch out a bare existence in their resource-depleted environment by adopting an extreme libertarianism - yep, "the virtue of selfishness" - which corporate hustlers, like those in the Bush/Reagan administrations, have been using as de facto ethical justification for their policies since the early post WWII years when Ayn Rand first gave them "acceptable" articulation. Turnbull concisely details, under these conditions, the brutal breakdown of every ethical bond we hold sacred, adumbrating a terrifying portrait of human relations in a society which undeniably mirrors the rougher edges of our own.â€
So writes a reviewer named “cvairag†on the Amazon.com page for anthropologist Colin Turnbull’s “The Mountain Peopleâ€. A deeply disturbing chronicle of the Ik tribe in Northern Uganda, “The Mountain people†explores a people who “live isolated from one another, each family…separated in its own compound within the village’s fortress walls…Each family is itself divided: husbands, wives, and children remorselessly avoid helping one another find food.â€
If you thought the family was a sacred bond -- meet pure, American-style "right" libertarianism. it's the ugliest thing I've ever seen.
hmmmmm... ayn rand...
Interesting point about the ethical justification for laissez faire capitalism, D. Indeed people could say, in response to the soviet challenge to american capitalism, that here was a russian telling us that our system is the truly "moral" one. Never mind that the soviet system wasn't all that moral itself, of course.
Almost like it was planned deliberately!
Now let's remember that capitalists, American or otherwise, are rather much affected by the decisions of central bankers... capitalists can be made and broken by bankers by the stroke of a pen on an interest rate change.
This is the false left right dichotomy in action. The masses are lulled to sleep by the interminable jousting between managed factions to leave the managers free to make a killing. Kinda like a certain "truth movement"!
managers, directors, producers...
all the folks needed to put on a big show that lots of people will watch...
misuse of the public airwaves... room for that on the indictment?
"Indeed people could say,
"Indeed people could say, in response to the soviet challenge to american capitalism"
Still stuck in the old-fashioned paradigm. Â
Something tells me that if i
Something tells me that if i quoted Bakunin on this score I'd be much more well received;
BAKUNYIN, MIKHYL. 19th century Russian revolutionary.
"Marx is a Jew and is surrounded by a crowd of little, more or less intelligent, scheming, agile, speculating Jews, just as Jews are everywhere, commercial and banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades; in short, literary brokers, just as they are financial brokers, with one foot in the bank and the other in the socialist movement, and their arses sitting upon the German press. They have grabbed hold of all newspapers, and you can imagine what a nauseating literature is the outcome of it.
Now this entire Jewish world, which constitutes an exploiting sect, a people of leeches, a voracious parasite, Marx feels an instinctive inclination and a great respect for the Rothschilds. This may seem strange. What could there be in common between communism and high finance? Ho ho! The communism of Marx seeks a strong state centralization, and where this exists there must inevitably exist a state central bank, and where this exists, there the parasitic Jewish nation, which speculates upon the labor of the people, will always find the means for its existence...
In reality, this would be for the proletariat a barrack regime, under which the workingmen and the working closely and intimately connected with one another, regarless not only of frontiers but of political differences as well - this Jewish world is today largely at the disposal of Marx or Rothschil. I am sure that, on the one hand, the Rothschilds appreciate the merits of Marx, and that on the other hand, women, converted into a uniform mass, would rise, fall asleep, work and live at the beat of the drum; the privilege of ruling would be in the hands of the skilled and the learned, with a wide scope left for profitable crooked deals carried on by the Jews, who would be attracted by the enormous extension of the international speculations of the national banks... (Polémique contres les Juifs)
Bakunin also disliked niggers.
RT wrote; "This is the false
RT wrote;
"This is the false left right dichotomy in action. The masses are lulled to sleep by the interminable jousting between managed factions to leave the managers free to make a killing. Kinda like a certain "truth movement"!"
Actually, the IK tribe has pretty much NOTHING to do with your conceptions of capitalism and “individualismâ€. You can try and jam Zionism into it as you may, but you’re barking up the wrong tree. What we see with the ik is a form of extreme individualism in which children are “turned out†at the age of three, and in which every man and woman fights for themselves. It’s Ayn Rand’s wet dream. Do me a small favor and read the book before you comment.
your desperation is showing, d
Here I am trying to deconstruct the use of "false flag factions" in "the infowars" and you immediately have to bring your own particular "the JOOOOZ" routine, even managing to throw in the N-word at the end. Surely you have something better left? So anyway, you'r ethe anarchist, not me, so you can take your Bakunin and shelve it with your Ayn Rand. Interestingly enough you actually want me to waste time reading the Rand propaganda in order to have an opinion on what kind of scheme it plays a role in. I guess we should also pore over every episode of Sean Hannity and Michael Savage's shows before we criticize the role of Fox News in manipulating the masses!
Here I am trying to
Bakunin etc.
Hi Danse
Danse,
Why do you think that people at wtcdemolition would treat you better for posting this garbage and insinuating that people here would embrace it or treat you better if you posted it?
You are leveling some heavy accusations which I find insulting and un-justified. I hope you are willing to discuss...and back up your insinuation.
And the ending comment about black people Danse? What was that ...besides lame? Just a jab for good measure? It seems more like you are intentionally flaming the fires. Have you really been received that badly here?
I have to wonder why you even chose to use the *N* word in the first place Danse. Just for effect? Do you often use this word to describe people with brown skin color?
This ending comment baffles me as much as a recent, out of the blue comment you made after ending another semi-intense conversation. I'm sure, by the end of this response, you will know what I mean.
I find your comment insulting and childish. However, I am willing to entertain the notion that you honestly believe what you typed. And you are not just lashing out because people disagree with you on certain issues. Also, from what I've seen you've been received fairly well here at WTCDemolition.com. If I'm wrong, please point me to the most insulting and meanest thing that anyone here has done to you in conversation.
I can't imagine that it is worse then the fly-by insinuations you have made here today.
I've seen Gretavo complement you numerous times even though you two seem to be in disagreement much of the time.
So, since I'm willing to consider that I've 'missed' all the racism towards Jews here at WTCDemolition...I would request you to back up your underlying insinuation that people here would welcome racist rants like the one you posted.
Now, I am off to phone my 35 year old uncle who was just informed his cancer is in his spine and the most advanced of cancer treatment centers has told him there is no more then can do for him.
Thanks Danse.
if this is a lame attempt at a joke
if this: "Something tells me that if i quoted Bakunin on this score I'd be much more well received"
is a lame attempt at a self-depracating joke, well, it's REALLY lame.
But apparently Danse has a bone to pick w/ WTCdemo re: TA hence the reinforcement of the false stereotype i'd assume he's immersed in over there?
I would ask for a retraction or throw his ass out of here - no one needs reinforcers of false stereotypes, whatever their motivations.
Quoting Danse below:
1) in fact: anyone who rejects the “Zionist master control†thesis is a “shillâ€.
2) Attacks against truthaction have been a mainstay of this site, which is the obvious reason why its users were granted so little leeway.
A "mainstay"? Dude get me some of what you are smoking.
i'm not stuck in it
i'm describing how the paradigm, however false, is manipulated. this seems to elude you which may explain the way you talk down to people who don't agree with you.
my point is precisely that the "left"and "right" are among many different factions that can be "pitted against" one another in obviously more than just binary conflicts...
Idiocy...is this thing on?
Idiocy...is this thing on?
Here's my opinion: Read
Here's my opinion:
Read "The Mountain People", fair enough?
what, your hearing aid?
Why don't you just say whatever is on your mind? Why do you have to give out reading assignments? I still can't figure out what your problem is, and I consider myself a reasonably perceptive individual. Other than insinuating that I don't like Jewish people, what are you trying to say? And what does any of this have to do with 9/11?
Hi Gretavo.
Gretavo,
I don't think Danse's insinuation is reserved only for Jews.
Gretavo, I am not one to take a time-out to pat backs. But I seriously admire your restraint on this issue.
Danse is insinuating that this site would support this hardcore racist rant and that he's not been received well here at wtdcemolition.com. I see no evidence to support either insinuation.
In fact, even in argument, I've noticed you compliment Danse at times, as have others.
In this case, I would support the banning of an individual who levels such harsh attacks and insinuations of racism without backing them up with evidence.
First though, I would spotlight Danse's comments in a new blog on the front page for all to see so that we may disect this issue and figure out why Danse is being such a hateful fear monger. Obviously the community does not embrace racism such as Danse has posted. We should shine the spotlight on these types of hateful attacks.
Not to mention that Danse CHOSE to use the *N* word for x-tra effect. I find this strange and very telling.
Ugghh, had to log
Ugghh, had to log in...
JPass, fuck off nigger. Â Â
Keep Talking Danse...
So, does that mean you won't back up your hateful insinuations?
I don't know Danse or his work very well but I have encountered the person over the years and I've never seen anything like this.
Someone may want to e-mail him to make sure someone is not pretending to be Danse.
If it is the Danse I've encountered before, then I have to say I never noticed your knack for encouraging discussion.
"Fuck off you nigger" - DANSE
Wow. I can see where this is going. Seems you are trying to get banned now so that you may escape having to back up your hateful attack.
LOL. JPass, you can't
LOL. JPass, you can't take a joke. Would you prefer "Kike?"Â Write it down in your little book.
Why don't you just say
Why don't you just say whatever is on your mind? Why do you have to give out reading assignments?
I've already said what's on my mind. You have yet to respond except in generalities. Â
Keep talking Danse.
So is it safe to say that you won't back-up your hateful insinuations? And what? It was all joke now?
Joke? Wow! your sense of humor is warped.
You may see this as unintelligent but..I just don't see the humor in insinuating that a group of people are hardcore racist and then tossing in the *N* word for good measure. Was that the punchline Danse?
You are right, I really have a problem taking THESE KINDS of jokes.
I hope you aren't banned before you are asked by others to back up your inflammatory tripe.
Calm down JPass.  I used
Calm down JPass.  I used the "N" Word to illustrate a point.Â
Call it Zionism or Jew control, I see little difference in terms of the content of this blog; I see a fishing expedition to find Jewish surnames.  "Negro" or "nigger", it's still bigotry. I see this blog descending into Wing-TV territory, where everyone who doesn't subscribe to the "Jews run the universe" thesis is attacked as an "agent".  You wanna put it on me go ahead. But my conscience is clean. Â
Oh, I've got a comment for you Dense.
Just don't have time at the moment, as I'm heading out the door. (Please don't reply to this until I can add my comment.)
Gretavo mentions International Bankers and the "Commie" fear mongering and you take that to be, even remotely, 'Anti-semitic' and your overtly rascist sense of humor (were you on Seinfeld?) says more about your preconceived prejudices (Or were you building a straw man?) than anyone here at WTCDemo.
I'm not going to justify your school-yard antagonist accusations by telling you all the reasons I'm not racist or abhor racism. Deflect, deny, detract, smear - seems to be the only tools left to you who push the limited-hangout agenda.
And since I'm banned from true-faction. Ask Diane the "NY Activist" what online physics courses she completed. Since she's having such a hard time with the WTC demolitions, I hope they didn't soak her too much. I dare recommend she seek a refund.
BTW, Oh defender of truefaction, I was banned for (mostly being a member here) asking an on topic question in JDR's "Banned Again!" thread. Can't take the heat? Better get out of the kitchen (or ban it) before it collapses!
No need to smear. People
No need to smear. People who obsess over Zionism do a right job themselves. I've always tried to draw attention to the Israeli role in 911, but I don't feel the need to attribute the entire operation to some particular faction. The whole "ZIHOP" thing is just another version of "Al-Qaeda", an attempt to attribute 911 to an alien entity (that "hates our freedom") rather than coming to terms with one's own governing institutions. It's a limited hangout. 911 was a natural outgrowth of militarism and statism. You sound really, really bitter.Â
I see...
"911 was a natural outgrowth of militarism and statism."
I see, so no one was really responsible for it, or if they were, they were possessed by "militarism and statism". "Militarism and statism" dragged poor ol'Larry Silverstein, Lewis Eisenberg, and Alvin Hellerstein into it. Nothing to do with Israel, except in the sense that some people in Israel might also be possessed by the twin evils of "miliatrism and statism".
Of course you could try to make rational arguments in support of your point, but you prefer instead to insinuate that anyone who doesn't agree with you that "militarism and statism" and not, say, Zionism, was foremost on the mind of the perpetrators of 9/11 MUST be an anti-Jewish bigot who also may not like black people. That approach, less than your disagreement, is what might make you unpopular here. If you hadn't been paying attention, this is where people come when they are tired of having those insinuations dragged out every time they raise the issue of Zionism in relation to 9/11.
That you apparently have nothing better to do than to come here to do it now that most of us have been banned from the controlled "truth" sites you still cavort with suggests to me that we must be onto something (which I already know, of course.)
Now, if you want to be a jerk on a website somewhere why not go to 911Blogger or Truth Action and see what you might have left in common with the shills there--some of them may actually still believe in controlled demolition, if you hurry! But better brush up on your "Saudi Arabia and Pakistan did it and Bush let 'em" reparté just in case. And when you get the Miltarism and Statism Truth Movement going, you can insult yourself all day!
-Gretavo
I'm calm
Calm down? LoL.
You seem to have a knack for choosing the most inflammatory words possible for a given situation. First, my request for a dialog with you was met with insults by you. Then, further insults.
Now, finally you come to the table and start off with "Calm Down".
No, Jews have nothing to do with my suspicion that you are an agent. But put it on me all you wish. My conscience is clean.
First, you have not provided a single reason why I should even begin to take YOU seriously. My request for a dialog with you was met with hatret, insults, and insults.
I suspect you are an agent for various reason.
1. You are well known but anonymous to most in the 911 Truth movement
2. Your methods today are highly suspicious. You claim the moral high ground only 5 minutes after you insulted me when I asked you to justify your hateful, hurtful insinuations (which you have yet to do).
Re-read our dialog Danse. You provide not one single reason why you should be taken seriously by me. This is the only conversation I've ever had with you that I recall...
Can I conclude this is how you do business? Obviously, this is why anyone would think you an agent Danse.
If I am a member of this community and I just don't see the hatred you are referring to...am I not obligated to ask you for a dialog to explain yourself? And believe me, I'm not asking your to explain this for your own good as much as my own. Fuck, maybe i missed something you know?
But it seems you are more interested in leveling heavy accusations and then chastising anyone who requests a further dialog about it.
The insinuations you point out have been leveled far before you or this site came along. I will be the first to jump ship if I see what you describe materialize, but I don't.
Maybe I don't spend enough time here.
Maybe you can provide an example of someone accusing another of being an agent for not subscribing to a theory that says Jews Control The World.
Maybe I can ask the same question 5 times and still not get an answer.
LOL Jesse “I suspect you
LOL Jesse
“I suspect you are an agent for various reason.
1. You are well known but anonymous to most in the 911 Truth movementâ€
I’m not anonymous. You can learn my name at the end of any of my vids. I'm 30 years old and I live in Vancouver. Dude, I’d love to see some of that “agent†money nudge nudge wink wink. Since I am, in essence, working for nefarious ends I think it's about time I see some of that Rockefeller cash. What say you? Can you hook me up? Show me the money!
2. “Your methods today are highly suspicious.â€
Yikes! Â
“Re-read our dialog Danse. You provide not one single reason why you should be taken seriously by me.â€
I guess I’ll have to live with that. It’ll be tough but I have a feeling I’ll pull through. Â
Using my first name?
How thoughtful.
Danse, I do not want to overstate my skepticism about you. Shit, I suspect Gretavo is an agent, or Jon Gold, or whoever. The nature of this movement is such that you can't help but suspect this at some point. I base this on my interactions with people involved in this movement.
So today, obviously, you are acting a little suspicious to me.
I'm always willing to consider the more likely possibility that you are just a condescending prick who would rather not be called upon to justify his hateful insinuations with actual examples.
I'm not sure why you choose to use my first name. Please use my handle, jpass.
I have not seen your movie Danse.
J, you designed the first
J, you designed the first mockup of my soon-to-be website. Danse aka Rasputin. Aka Scott.Â
My vids are "The Third Stage" and "Truth Revolution". Â
I understand your paranoia, but I don't think it's helpful.
Apologies for using your first name; I recall your website in which you stated it outright, so I didn't think you'd care. But I won't do it again. Â
I'm about as far away as a "racist" as humanly possible. My best friend is Fillipino and beats me on IQ; my brother in law is East Indian and beats me at chess without exception.  Doesn't bother me at all. I used the "N" word as a nasty exclamation point. I truly believe this site is dangerously close to WingTV territory.Â
I like many of the frequent posters here, which is why I'm really pissed that many have taken to attacking truthaction. Â
It's not about the forum -- obviously there have been problems -- it's about the thousands of people who have taken action in solidarity on the 11th. Â
You have to be FUCKING kidding me.
You're pissed because we're 'attacking' Truthaction? After we were all unceremoniously banned with no reason given to make the place safe for JohnA, Victronix et al? Are you fucking out of your mind? After what YT allowed to be posted and to remain posted there for a day about me by Col Unemployed & Deeply Disturbed? That place is FUCKED UP.
“You're pissed because
“You're pissed because we're 'attacking' Truthaction? After we were all unceremoniously banned with no reason given to make the place safe for JohnA, Victronix et al? Are you fucking out of your mind? After what YT allowed to be posted and to remain posted there for a day about me by Col Unemployed & Deeply Disturbed? That place is FUCKED UP.â€
As far as I recall RT was not banned but elected to ban himself in a bout of self-pity. Are you actually banned? If so I certainly don’t agree with that decision and will (if you so desire) attempt to undo it, since, as I previously said, you were model of professionalism during your short stay there. I’ve always enjoyed your posts.
“Fucked upâ€. Pot and Kettle. Like I said, this place is quickly becoming WingTV 2.0. Arguably worse, in fact: anyone who rejects the “Zionist master control†thesis is a “shillâ€. You can accuse me of erecting a straw man but that’s what I see.
Attacks against truthaction have been a mainstay of this site, which is the obvious reason why its users were granted so little leeway. Post there, scurry to the enclave and backbite. Not surprising, therefore, that many WTCD users were banned.
Pissed? Yeah. “Truefaction†etc. It’s juvenile. No matter how much someone loathes a poster on the truthaction forum, or the mods, or me, it must be kept in mind that thousands of people around the globe participate in the 11th Day actions. It’s not about YT. I went out there last month with a few other people and quietly handed out DVD’s; it felt great it know that people in France and Switzerland and Kansas were there beside me.
I don’t think all of this hostility is necessary. Just takes a tiny bit of compromise and a commitment not to call everyone who disagrees with the Jew stuff a “shillâ€.
Danse
Until you are able to acknowledge a distinction between anti-Zionism and 'the Jew stuff' I think you should take a break from posting here. Comparing us to Wingtv is extremely offensive and I don't believe you can substantiate the accusation.
Yes, I am really banned from that site.
"acknowledge a distinction
"acknowledge a distinction between anti-Zionism and 'the Jew stuff'"
I do so, daily. But I do not obsess over Zionism to the exclusion of everything else.
"Comparing us to Wingtv is extremely offensive and I don't believe you can substantiate the accusation."
Just take a stroll through the blogs. If you can find three in a row absent the word "shill" I'll take it back. ;)
"Yes, I am really banned from that site."
Well, that sucks. I don't think it's warranted at all. I'm not a mod and judging from the rancor between these two sites I don't suppose I can do much, but I'll give it a shot if you so wish. Again, always enjoy your posts. Â
I'm gald to see...
That you are almost ready. I believe my memory now serves me correctly huh?
Anyway, no big deal about the name. Thanks.
I too am as far from a racist as humanly possible. My landlord / great friend / band mate is the Jewish son of an ex-Congressman. It's pretty cool being able to talk to someone about Charlie Wilson who actually worked with him!
He's 23 and is my landlord!! Wow, you can imagine that I'm in my apartment trying to figure out how this suspicious Jew is plotting to increase my rent and over-state my electric bill so he can shave some more cash from that! FYI, my chess record with this Jew is 1 win 3 losses. (He's probably cheating me some how huh?)
Do you not see how your own judgments and paranoia are actually hurting you and your reputation? Look at our conversation Danse. I can't imagine a situation where your actions would be considered 'helpful'. Your paranoia does not seem justified to me. And my sincere request for dialog was met with a flailing and lashing out by you.
But, I'm willing to consider I'm wrong. Even on an issue of extreme racism that you paint. Maybe I missed it huh? I admit my request for dialog has more to do with me then you.
All I'm saying is that your allegations / suspicions are justified but you have to back it up with examples. Your accusations are rather extraordinary so please provide the facts...otherwise you are just espousing your own un-justified paranoia.
Provide an example where someone called you an agent because you did not accept some theory about Jews Controlling the universe.
"But, I'm willing to
"But, I'm willing to consider I'm wrong."
Glad to hear it. Â
but there was a stipulation...
You are supposed to then provide examples so that I may consider your point of view Danse.
Just provide me the worst of the worst anti-Jewish encounters you've had on this website? Which of us have you concluded has the most hate for Jews in our blood?
Can you just point me to one example of Jew hate mongering on this site? I've asked my Jewish landlord to do the same because, as I said above, I'm always willing to consider that I'm missing something and you are in fact correct that this site is filled to the brim with Jew hate.
As much as I would like to believe that my hate radar can easily detect the levels of hatred you describe...maybe I'm broken. But it doesn't help to have the accuser screaming that I'm an idiot when I merely ask you to back up your insinuations, which you have yet to do.
Just one example of the worst Jew hate you can find on this website...I mean you have such strong conclusions...there must be many strong examples right?
I don't believe this site is
I don't believe this site is "brimming with Jew-hatred". I think most or perhaps even all of the posters here are anti-racist, hence the fierce (and commendable) opposition to Zionism. But yeah, with a tunnel-vision focus on Zionism it's only natural that Jewish people begin to occupy the bulk of one's thoughts. It may or may not end predictably with stereotypical "anti-semitism".Â
not brimming with hatred, more like like love
hey danse, (btw, 50% of my best friends and those I deeply admire are and have been Jewish) ironically, i was banned at truthaction after one snitty remark i made late at night, which i regret, being antagonistic, but i felt insulted;  i think that all came on after posting about Leland Lehrman! of all people - a Jewish guy running for senate, on a 9/11 reinvestigation platform, whom i believe deserves attention.Â
 the frustration on my part: I wish more Jewish folk would come around and start calling their own on the part played by neocon American and Israeli zionists regarding the crimes of 9/11 and the wars of terror. hey, i'm a christian american willing to call it on my own kind - so-called christian-American president and admin/oil grabbing war mongers.
Regarding TRUTHACTION. i miss not being able to post my actions for the 11th of every month! that seems unfair and counterproductive to the movement!  i don't want to close communication...against my nature.
Hi Kate, Agree with you
Hi Kate,
Agree with you about Jewish folk rejecting Zionism. It's very frustrating that Jewish anti-Zionists are NEVER portrayed in the MSM. Â
Also agree about truthaction. I'll see what I can do. Â
Could have fooled me...
Danse, just apologize for your attack. No need to distance yourself from your original insinuation that this community would embrace the Jewish hatred you referenced above.
The original insinuation is right at the top of this thread so it's impossible to save face. IMO, the only admirable option is an apology.
And the TrueFaction ordeal is a genuine concern. But,the TrueFaction ordeal is an entirely different issue.
You have tried to insinuate that this small community would embrace the racist rant that you quoted at the beginning of this thread. That has nothing to do with TruthAction.org or YT.
Huh? I have no idea what
Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. Your liberal usage of the term "Truefaction" puts you stricly in imbecile territory.
I never claimed that the people on this blog are racist, but yeah I think many of you will end up foaming-at-the-mouth Jew-haters if you aren't already. Just the nature of the beast.
You'd do well do expand your ideas about power. The moment you've discovered some faction that allegedly has all the control is the moment you relegate yourself to irrelevance. Â
Danse's wonderful opinions of us
> think many of you will end up foaming-at-the-mouth Jew-haters if you aren't already.
thanks for your concern. dipshit.
> You'd do well do expand your ideas about power.
You'd do well to clearly apologize for calling us racists.
I recant my apology for this
I recant my apology for this twit. Aren't you the 'No-planer'? Lol. Â
no i'm the one who's
no i'm the one who's smart enough to admit i don't know everything.
if you want to put me in a box labeled no-planer then i put you in a box labeled stupid assholes.Â
And you want an apology?Â
And you want an apology? Sure. I'll apologize. I admit I was a little ticked off at the time and a little bewottled. Hadn't read this blog for awhile and saw a lot of attacks against Truthaction. It's not about saving face. This is just an avatar. What difference does it make? I DO think the Ziono-centrism is unhealthy. There's a difference between exposing the cancer of Zionism and turning it into a bete noir, ignoring everything else, reducing all of the world's problems to a singularity.Â
Danse's sorta apology
> turning it into a bete noir, ignoring everything else, reducing all of the world's problems to a singularity.
 you do recognize this is your opinion, not a fact?
you said we would welcome your "jew-hating" diatribe. Being a little ticked about whatever is going on at truthaction is no excuse for that.Â
And now I'll say
And now I'll say goodbye. Â
good bye
and good riddance.
Danse...wtf?
Liberal usage? Come on Danse. You are just throwing around accusations with no basis in reality. When asked to back up these insinuations you claim you are not actually making them. I ask you to show me how I'm liberally using this term.
Search my blogs and you will find I do not use that term liberally. But, you have your mind made up so there is not much I can do to convince you of anything. You can not even see your own hypocrisy written in your own words on this blog.
I thought much higher of you before today Danse. I know that you will probably provide a sarcastic comment about how hard it will be for you to live without my respect...but that just further exemplifies your knack for alienating yourself from this group.
It's sad that you are so solid and hard headed in your generalizations that you would not consider even the possibility that I too do not agree that using the term TRUEFACTION because it doesn't help. Contrary to your ignorant claims, REFRAINED from using the term.
Likewise, you are so convinced that you are ultimately right that any attempt to question you leads to condescending and chastising remarks from you. Instead of explaining this you have decided to further chastise me and provide condescending suggestions based on your own pre-conceived notions.
You really are you own worst enemy.
Acutally...
I also set up the TruthAction website initially. Installed the very forum you are referring to.
I have not attacked truthAction or YT but I do believe that the attacks and skepticism is justified and even nescesary.
The video created by Sparks mentioned above is a glaring example of why I think the discussion about TruthAction.org here are justified.
-jpass
"but I do believe that the
"but I do believe that the attacks and skepticism is justified and even nescesary."
Nope. Skepticism is necessary. Attacks are not.  Â
so...
I guess you were ALL OVER Col. Jenny at TrueFaction when she put together a video including me in it, doing my several times a week actions, as being unnecessarily divisive. Uhhh, wait no, you weren't! But you're here now to:
a) suggest that WTCD will make anyone a foaming at the mouth Jew hater (if they aren't already)
and
b) trying to get people here back to TrueFaction
You say we're dangerously close to WingTV territory? I say 911Blogger and TrueFaction are dangerously close to Daily Kos territory, or Alternet, or any number of other gatekeepers. And I think that your job might well be to try to drag people back in through the gate that they very wisely walked out of.
Wellsaid
"I say 911Blogger and TrueFaction are dangerously close to Daily Kos territory, or Alternet, or any number of other gatekeepers."
I agree with Danse on this issue of over-focus on Zionism, and think it is a problem. But it is a much smaller problem than the tendency at 9/11 Blogger to take most of the official story as true, and talk about "Al Qaeda," Pakistan, and now Turkey and Sibel Edmonds.
Ningen
Site guidelines and such
Hi Danse, hi everyone. I just got back from a fantastic conference in Santa Cruz last weekend called Truth Emergency 2008 http://www.truthemergency.us/
"Publicizing Truths with Consequence: Independent Media Power vs the Corporate Coup" I'll post a report back with some pictures in the next day or two. All in all it was a mind blowing event with cross-polination and strategizing among the truth movements and alternative media activists and included such people as Cynthia McKinney, Cindy Sheehan, David Ray Griffin, Ray McGovern, Barbara Trent (The Panama Deception), and others. Cosmos was there and we had a great conversation, btw.
Just wanted to remind you Danse, of the site guidelines that say, "We will not tolerate racist or otherwise bigoted comments, and in turn will not tolerate baseless charges of bigotry". I was sorry to see this thread today with such unfortunate accusations being thrown around as well as racist "jokes". I normally enjoy your posts, Danse, but it kind of looks like you went off the deep end today. I hope you all can come to a resolution and a mending of this unfortunate breakdown in civility and respect, because I think that you all are natural allies and should continue working together.
I agree with you, Danse, that we should avoid a reductionist argument that "x is the source of all evil in the world" whether it be Zionism, Corporatism, Stateism, or whatever. I tend to be an anarchist myself, but I see some anarchists tending to reduce everything to Chomsky's "institutional analysys" or "if we just get rid of states and corporations then all will be well", type of stuff.
Anyway, I've gotta run. I have to give Barbara Trent a ride to the airport.
Later...
sigh...
"x is the source of all evil in the world"
This is a straw man that Danse likes to employ. Nowhere do I say that Zionism is the cause of all evil in the world. Obviously I wouldn't say it in the literal sense but more importantly I think it is a gross misrepresentation to suggest that I think it or have said as much in the figurative sense.
It just so happens that Zionism is at the center of 9/11, in my opinion. Zionism is itself a symptom of a very sick world, one which suffers not so much from the existence of states as it does from a host of other ills such as control of information by corporations (ultimately by individuals shielded by the corporation, actually) and manipulation of wealth by financial elites. Not to mention an epidemic of cheating in every realm of life. We could go on and on into the night, but that's not the issue here.
The issue is how one goes about disagreeing when one does. It is NOT ok to suggest that those who think that Zionism was the prime ideological factor behind 9/11 also blame Zionism for everything bad in the world. When someone like Danse does it it just makes me think that he knows it's true and that that is the reason he gives up on rational arguments and goes for the same old tired BS we've all grown quite sick of.
agreed
"It is NOT ok to suggest that those who think that Zionism was the prime ideological factor behind 9/11 also blame Zionism for everything bad in the world."
This is the crucial distinction that Danse seems to be having trouble with. One should be able to logically argue that on the one hand 9/11 was a false flag operation carried out primarily by Zionists/Mossad, primarily (NOT EXCLUSIVELY) to serve Zionist goals, while at the same time not subscribing to the claim that Zionism/Mossad is to blame for everything bad in the world. It is a straw man argument (most likely of the race-baiting type) to suggest that one can't argue the former without implicitly supporting the latter reductionist generalization.
My main point was that Danse is being hypocritical in that he points the finger to others he claims are being reductionist on the Zionism issue, while he himself is being reductionist in claiming that all evil in the world is just a symptom of capitalism and statism, with the unspoken corrolary that if we just eliminated states and corporations (which is a noble goal), that would eliminate the source of evil. I strongly disagree with this premise. Racism, cheating, nazi ideologies, etc., have existed long before states and corporations came into existance, and will continue to exist and flourish even after we somehow manage to outlaw states and corporations. Hell, even if we set up a utopian anarchist horizontal society, the sick muthafukahs will eventually figure out a way to combine with each other in secretive and conspiratorial ways and poisen the social structures to the point where the anarchist utopia will remain such only in form but not in substance.
Finally, Danse's ridiculous slippery slope argument that we are all going to become predictably rabid anti-semites or another "wing-tv" simply by continuing to discuss the growing perception and overwhelming evidence that Zionism is at the center of 9/11 is offensive and embarassingly juvenile. Again, I have come to expect better from Danse than this crap and I hope he can take responsibility and be accountable for some of his baseless accusations of alleged racist comments against this community of bloggers. If
Danse cannot produce a single instance on this site of a racist statememt then he should apologize and retract his accusation.
agreed.
the sad thing is that i actually caught some flak (who knows, maybe deserved) for banning the user that shall not be named precisely because of his insistence on posting things that could be read as racist and then freaking out when people asked him to clarify his meaning. how inconvenient for Danse that I did err on the side of caution or lord knows what he might be referencing to back up his accusation that this site is a den of "foaming jew haters".
Situation was different Gretavo
The flak you caught was not for the actual banning but because you swung the ban hammer so quickly...before anyone even understood what was going on. And I was there before the banning trying to figure it out. I'm sure many after the banning who came upon the discussion were left baffled...wondering whether it was racist or not (the original comment).
Before I could understand what was going on you had banned him...which added flames to the entire situation before it even got started.
I do believe that allowing the Danse Freakout to play out was a better move on your and everyone elses part. I am pretty sure I noticed the Ban Hammer in my closet so Danse could have been banned by a number of people. But he wasn't and for that we have a glaring example of...something...not sure exactly what yet.
Huh? you act like Zionism
Huh? you act like Zionism is a fresh idea.
stick up for your principles.
Wasn't she saying...
that our system IS NOT on any moral high ground because we've been steered away from what our constitution intended into a pseudo-democracy where corporations basically run the gov? Wallace asks her if she believes we'll be in a dictatorship if things continue as they are, and she correctly says "yes". Only difference I've seen between Capitalists & Communists is that in a capitalist society the government's controlled by the corporation and in communist society the corporations are controlled by the government.
The thing that stood out was Wallace maintaining the corporatist illusion of "democracy in action" bullshit.
the dictatorship she probably means...
is the one where the powerful elites are trying to impose global socialism. This is the standard origin of the "libertarian right" in America--it saw Russian Communism as part of the "Protocols" style plot by someone to impose a world government.
what i'm saying Ayn Rand was providing was a moral justification for a laissez-faire, i.e. non-welfare state, so that people who advocated less government need not be seen as heartless.
Joooos on the brain
I think this is where Danse flipped out:
"Now let's remember that capitalists, American or otherwise, are rather much affected by the decisions of [jooos]... capitalists can be made and broken by [jooos] by the stroke of a pen on an interest rate change."
My guess is that Danse automatically reads "international bankers" as "Jews."
This is interesting to me for two reasons. That is not the first association I have. Secondly, let's say that the majority of "international bankers" have some sort of claim to a Jewish identity -- is that the MOST SALIENT aspect of their identity? Of course not. Does their theoretical "Jewishness" have anything to do with the Jewish identity of the immense majority of other people who identify as Jewish? Of course not. Should we question the associative leap that goes from "international banker" to "Jew" in Danse's mind? Yes, we should. Perhaps Danse is a victim of what we might call "Reverse Protocols Syndrome."
reverse protocols? sounds painful
like something done by a perverse proctologist...
anyway, i think you hit the nail on the head. now, if we make clear that we don't claim that most or a disproportionate number of Jewish folk are international bankers.
Let me state some facts about myself:
1) I do not know how many people with power in the world of international banking are Jewish.
2) I do not care how many people with power in the world of international banking are Jewish.
3) I care that international banking is a cartel that has a virtual monopoly on wealth and its transfer, and that it is a nebulous and esoteric art and/or science that we are discouraged from inquiring into.
I do not think of Jewish people as "Jews" I think of them as people who happen to be Jewish. Like people who happen to be international bankers. Or both.
In fact, if I had to choose between saving the life of a random Jewish person and a random international banker I would pick the Jewish person every time, who would in all likelihood be a wonderful person. If I saved the random international banker I would instead most definitely be saving some selfish bastard.
RT, OK I understand your
RT, OK I understand your frustration with capitalism, and liberalism or collectivism.
Mrs Rand is making the same point as Lysander Spooner makes.
The Constitution of no Authority. Which basically says the government has no authority over you unless you injury someones property or person.
Your free to do what we want to do without government interference.
If you study American History the corporation that was a threat to the American republic was the Banking establishment because it was regulated by Government.
After the adoption of the 14 amendment in 1868 which was a corporate amendment which turned us into slaves of congress and created the corporation movement. 1868-1909 the supreme court heard 287 cases on 14 amendment issues 18 were about blacks having rights 273 were about corporation rights. before 1868 we had a free market system now we have a corporate liberal and a collective system.
I happen to agree with Rand. Government has been responsible for a hundred eighty million deaths in the 20 century alone.
If you look at the political movement of Zionism and how it controls Government, in turn controlling you. what would be the best option Mrs Rand theory or Marx theory
What solution do you have RT?
what solution?
awareness, pure and simple. awareness leads to debate and discussion and better understanding. without mass awareness of the nature and scope of the problems we are unlikely to see problems addressed adequately. of course when lots of people become aware and start debating, they will run into arguments like this where there is an attempt by some people to frame the discussion or the argument in such a way as to advance their agenda. there are very few things that i have strong strong opinions on, but one of them is on the subject of honesty and fair play. Debating these finer points of historical development is fine as long as it is done with people who aren't going to accuse one of being a bigot for holding a different view than they do, which is what has happened with this debate on anarchism, objectivism, militarism, statism, and Zionism. The result has been that I now more firmly believe that Zionism is key in unraveling the 9/11 deception since there seems to be a blatantly obvious effort to lead people's attention away from that angle.
-RT
Ayn Rand is a sociopath
A "free market" has never existed and can never exist. It is a myth. In the real world, when you set up a system where capital makes all the decisions, you make most people a slave to capital and capitalists. What's free about that? In addition, the system can only function when a coercive state enforces the "private property" regime that it depends on. The "free market" is married to the state even more than religion and state back in medieval europe.
Sociopaths like Ayn Rand rightfully complain about state power, but she apparently has no problem with people being slaves to capitalists. Fact is that common resources of the earth, which belong to humans and the other life forms that depend on it, should not be owned by private individuals. Who the hell gave capitalists the right to divide up the earth like that? Guns and state power, period.