Diane the New York Activist Teams Up With Max Photon To Deny Explosives in WTC

gretavo's picture

http://activistnyc.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/the-adventures-of-max-photon...

In her typical "see how calm and reasonable I am" style, Diane the New York Activist gives a lengthy review of some guy named Max Photon, who sells himself as MAX-MIHOP and seems to spend a lot of time arguing with OCT shills on the JREF forums.

The theory that Diane and Mr. Photon are trying to give credibility to is that explosives weren't used in the WTC demolitions, just thermite, to weaken the columns enough to precipitate a "natural" gravity based collapse. Mr. Photon even goes so far as to say that Bazant (a hardcore OCT spinner) is "the man when it comes to column failure".

Like a lot of what fake truthers point out, it is all presented in a way that makes the relative newbie say "hmmm, these people seem like they're onto soething." Diane and Max make a great tag team because Max is a "character" who refers to himself in the third person (Max is hungry--Max is going to eat that sandwich) while DIane is a "seasoned activist" who likes to "resolve conflicts" and "promote tolerance". That pen on her blog is the kicker for her image--it is, I'm sure, the pen that she uses to fill out her New York Times crossword every day--in INK!

So what's the problem? Well, suggesting that explosives need not have been involved is the first step to suggesting that a "collapse" of the sort that occurred could happen just with gravity, so long as the columns were weakened. Now, this is clearly BS. Much of the work done to date on the destruction makes it clear that gravity based collapse, no matter HOW the columns may have been weakened, cannot possibly be the explanation--the speed of the destruction, the pulverized concrete, the squibs--none of these can be explained with a thermite/gravity explanation. Not just that, but Diane and Max also promote Frank Greening, a sort of bridge shill between the NIST report and the truth movement (he acknowledges some problems with the NIST report but does not endorse any kind of foul play scenarion.)

One of Greening's claims apparently is that there could have been aluminothermic (like thermite) reactions caused by interaction between the aluminum in the planes and the rust in the towers.

To me the strategy is clear here--dismantle the truth step by step. First suggest that thermnite alone could have done it (no explosives, yeah right) and THEN suggest that "oh, well it need not have been thermite--clever and trustworthy scientists everywhere say that a similar effect could have resulted from the plane crashes".

Warning to the truth movement--Diane the activist is apparently frequenting meetings of New York 911 Truth. She is one of the most obviously fake truthers I've seen come out in a while, and she has been very productive in the few weeks she's been active. In effect, if not intent, she seems to be working to (you guessed it!) protect Silverstein by trying to explain away the demolition of the towers as a freak accident, thereby paving part of the road to the ultimate goal of the LIHOP limited hangout escape route for the perps.

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gretavo's picture

two things to remember always

"to present an ostensible diversity behind which lies an actual uniformity."

Josef Goebbels on the goal of effective propaganda

"The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments."

Friedrich Nietszche

Annoymouse's picture

Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury

Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammo Box...

These people are trying to keep us busy bickering over this zionist action. I hope you're preparing for possible war. There are reports of plenty of UN troops within the US. I can't see it being that difficult to justify using them on a country that's been aggressing against others. Our troops are over seas. I'd be stocking up on food, ammo, and get some bug out routes ready. And no I don't think I'm over reacting. With everything I've read over the past 15 years I think that's exactly where things are headed.

Best,

Whitey

kate of the kiosk's picture

so maybe that would be welcome...

it's about time. i wonder if some germans felt the same during wwII

gretavo's picture

kinda different

from what i've read, I'm sure that there were plenty of people who weren't all that happy with the Nazis' rise to power. On the other hand, those were probably (like now) the thoughtful people with universalist views, etc. The masses were probably quite happy with the way the Nazis turned the country around from the depths to which it had sunk after WWI. To think that the Nazis were pure evil is wrongheaded, in my opinion. They were racist, sure, but no more racist than a hardocre Zionist. They were not out to exploit the Germans they considered "real" Germans (i.e. defined racially) they were quite sincerely trying to uplift them--not in the healthiest way, of course. Comapred to how most modern governments could really care less about actually providing good leadership or a better life for their citizens, the Nazis at least had that going for them. There really is no country in the world today that resembles Nazi Germany as much as Israel--that's realy not meant to sound or be inflammatory, it's just true. Socialist nationalism based on racial/genetic ties strengthened through state sponsored mythology and purification/redemption of land by expansion and the expulsion of "undesirables"? Duh!

kate of the kiosk's picture

uplifting the "pure" citizenry

good points. However, if Ziofascist Isreal resembles Nazi-fascist Germany (which in many ways, i believe it does), is the present Israeli leadership truly trying to provide a better life for its citizens?

And in the US, as in Nazi Germany, were not "the masses" so delighted to have an excuse to wave a freakin flag again and be filled with nationalistic fervor, united once again against a common foe, the evil muslim world. Our nation has been so racist.

The first part of my thought, that being my comment regarding "maybe that's what's needed", is what befuddles my brain mostly these days. How and who? How are we going to extricate the neoziocon fascists out of our government, banks, media, etc.? Who is going to do this? Who is going to wrest the control from them?  If not our own people/miliatary, then do we need the UN? Now it becomes clear why our National Guard has been deployed overseas....

I know we promote nonviolence here at WTC, but some times, Gretavo, sometimes...

How could this play out?  i just can't seem to visualize it.

One thing is for sure, this good group needs to  be inundating the MSM with letters to editors, as in a deluge, until the dam breaks.....

perhaps letters calling it on The Shell Game might help...

best to you and yours, Gretavo! k

 

 

PatrickSMcNally@aol.com's picture

> However, if Ziofascist

> However, if Ziofascist Isreal resembles Nazi-fascist Germany (which in many ways, i believe it does), is the present Israeli leadership truly trying to provide a better life for its citizens?

The early true Zionists like David Ben Gurion certainly were devoted to that. Like all other forms of nationalism in the world today, Zionism is being steadily undermined the global expansion of capitalism. That has meant a steady rollback of social gains enacted under the old Zionist brand of socialism. Privatization of the Reagan variety has spread consistently to Israel as well. While the German National Socialists didn't do much more than carry on with programs begun or advocated by the Social Democrats whom they imprisoned, still there was no major rollback privatization agenda under Hitler either. In Israel the push towards privatization ala Reagan is sometimes identified with post-Zionism.

http://www.hagshama.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=1851

"Post-Zionism presents itself as an ideology of social justice, but the economic vision it implies remains unarticulated. University of Haifa historian, Daniel Gutwein, claims that post-Zionism, despite its purportedly egalitarian commitments, actually plays into the hands of Netanyahu and the enemies of social-democracy. Post-Zionism is a form of cultural privatisation. It attacks the common, Jewish-Zionist ethos of Israeli society and demands to replace it with an anarchic collection of subcultures, each of which is incommensurable with the others. Social solidarity cannot survive in this atmosphere. Why should we care about each other if we have nothing in common? The political upshot is a sharp decline in commitment to those institutions which depend on a sense of solidarity: progressive taxation, public education and the welfare state. The purportedly egalitarian agenda of post-Zionism, argues Gutwein, paves the way for the worst extremes of capitalism."

kate of the kiosk's picture

ah, welcome, Patrick!

"Why should we care about each other if we have nothing in common?"

good study, thank you for joining.

Lazlo Toth's picture

Don't feel bad Kate,

You are not alone in your lines of worrying and questioning, and your struggles and feelings. We struggle with these things every single day. People like Yeshua, Gandhi, and MLK were very strong men, but then so was Malcolm X as well.

Lazlo Toth's picture

Don’t worry Kate,

You are not alone. We struggle and deal with your lines of worrying, questioning, and emotions every single day. Now you know how strong Buddha, Yeshua, Gandhi ji, and MLK were. It is very hard sometimes. My wallpaper is also pealing away from its foundations due to the powerful sound vibrations of my daily screams. I have to go out now and comb the Zen garden.

kate of the kiosk's picture

you bring solace, Lazlo

thank you for reminding me.

gretavo's picture

Lazlo has that effect... :)

And his mention of his Zen garden reminded me of Voltaire's Candide and the lovely final chapter--take it to ♥, kate!

Candide

Voltaire

Chapter 30 - Conclusion


Candide had, in truth, no great inclination to marry Miss Cunegund; but the extreme impertinence of the Baron determined him to conclude the match; and Cunegund pressed him so warmly, that he could not recant. He consulted Pangloss, Martin, and the faithful Cacambo. Pangloss composed a fine memorial, by which he proved that the Baron had no right over his sister; and that she might, according to all the laws of the Empire, marry Candide with the left hand. Martin concluded to throw the Baron into the sea; Cacambo decided that he must be delivered to the Turkish captain and sent to the galleys; after which he should be conveyed by the first ship to the Father General at Rome. This advice was found to be good; the old woman approved of it, and not a syllable was said to his sister; the business was executed for a little money; and they had the pleasure of tricking a Jesuit, and punishing the pride of a German baron.

It was altogether natural to imagine, that after undergoing so many disasters, Candide, married to his mistress and living with the philosopher Pangloss, the philosopher Martin, the prudent Cacambo, and the old woman, having besides brought home so many diamonds from the country of the ancient Incas, would lead the most agreeable life in the world. But he had been so robbed by the Jews, that he had nothing left but his little farm; his wife, every day growing more and more ugly, became headstrong and insupportable; the old woman was infirm, and more ill-natured yet than Cunegund. Cacambo, who worked in the garden, and carried the produce of it to sell in Constantinople, was above his labor, and cursed his fate. Pangloss despaired of making a figure in any of the German universities. And as to Martin, he was firmly persuaded that a person is equally ill-situated everywhere. He took things with patience.

Candide, Martin, and Pangloss disputed sometimes about metaphysics and morality. Boats were often seen passing under the windows of the farm laden with effendis, bashaws, and cadis, that were going into banishment to Lemnos, Mytilene and Erzerum. And other cadis, bashaws, and effendis were seen coming back to succeed the place of the exiles, and were driven out in their turns. They saw several heads curiously stuck upon poles, and carried as presents to the Sublime Porte. Such sights gave occasion to frequent dissertations; and when no disputes were in progress, the irksomeness was so excessive that the old woman ventured one day to tell them:

"I would be glad to know which is worst, to be ravished a hundred times by Negro pirates, to have one buttock cut off, to run the gauntlet among the Bulgarians, to be whipped and hanged at an auto-da-fe, to be dissected, to be chained to an oar in a galley; and, in short, to experience all the miseries through which every one of us hath passed, or to remain here doing nothing?"

"This," said Candide, "is a grand question."

This discourse gave birth to new reflections, and Martin especially concluded that man was born to live in the convulsions of disquiet, or in the lethargy of idleness. Though Candide did not absolutely agree to this, yet he did not determine anything on that head. Pangloss avowed that he had undergone dreadful sufferings; but having once maintained that everything went on as well as possible, he still maintained it, and at the same time believed nothing of it.

There was one thing which more than ever confirmed Martin in his detestable principles, made Candide hesitate, and embarrassed Pangloss, which was the arrival of Pacquette and Brother Giroflee one day at their farm. This couple had been in the utmost distress; they had very speedily made away with their three thousand piastres; they had parted, been reconciled; quarreled again, been thrown into prison; had made their escape, and at last Brother Giroflee had turned Turk. Pacquette still continued to follow her trade; but she got little or nothing by it.

"I foresaw very well," said Martin to Candide "that your presents would soon be squandered, and only make them more miserable. You and Cacambo have spent millions of piastres, and yet you are not more happy than Brother Giroflee and Pacquette."

"Ah!" said Pangloss to Pacquette, "it is Heaven that has brought you here among us, my poor child! Do you know that you have cost me the tip of my nose, one eye, and one ear? What a handsome shape is here! and what is this world!"

This new adventure engaged them more deeply than ever in philosophical disputations.

In the neighborhood lived a famous dervish who passed for the best philosopher in Turkey; they went to consult him: Pangloss, who was their spokesman, addressed him thus:

"Master, we come to entreat you to tell us why so strange an animal as man has been formed?"

"Why do you trouble your head about it?" said the dervish; "is it any business of yours?"

"But, Reverend Father," said Candide, "there is a horrible deal of evil on the earth."

"What signifies it," said the dervish, "whether there is evil or good? When His Highness sends a ship to Egypt does he trouble his head whether the rats in the vessel are at their ease or not?"

"What must then be done?" said Pangloss.

"Be silent," answered the dervish.

"I flattered myself," replied Pangloss, "to have reasoned a little with you on the causes and effects, on the best of possible worlds, the origin of evil, the nature of the soul, and a pre-established harmony."

At these words the dervish shut the door in their faces.

During this conversation, news was spread abroad that two viziers of the bench and the mufti had just been strangled at Constantinople, and several of their friends impaled. This catastrophe made a great noise for some hours. Pangloss, Candide, and Martin, as they were returning to the little farm, met with a good-looking old man, who was taking the air at his door, under an alcove formed of the boughs of orange trees. Pangloss, who was as inquisitive as he was disputative, asked him what was the name of the mufti who was lately strangled.

"I cannot tell," answered the good old man; "I never knew the name of any mufti, or vizier breathing. I am entirely ignorant of the event you speak of; I presume that in general such as are concerned in public affairs sometimes come to a miserable end; and that they deserve it: but I never inquire what is doing at Constantinople; I am contented with sending thither the produce of my garden, which I cultivate with my own hands."

After saying these words, he invited the strangers to come into his house. His two daughters and two sons presented them with divers sorts of sherbet of their own making; besides caymac, heightened with the peels of candied citrons, oranges, lemons, pineapples, pistachio nuts, and Mocha coffee unadulterated with the bad coffee of Batavia or the American islands. After which the two daughters of this good Mussulman perfumed the beards of Candide, Pangloss, and Martin.

"You must certainly have a vast estate," said Candide to the Turk.

"I have no more than twenty acres of ground," he replied, "the whole of which I cultivate myself with the help of my children; and our labor keeps off from us three great evils-idleness, vice, and want."

Candide, as he was returning home, made profound reflections on the Turk's discourse.

"This good old man," said he to Pangloss and Martin, "appears to me to have chosen for himself a lot much preferable to that of the six Kings with whom we had the honor to sup."

"Human grandeur," said Pangloss, "is very dangerous, if we believe the testimonies of almost all philosophers; for we find Eglon, King of Moab, was assassinated by Aod; Absalom was hanged by the hair of his head, and run through with three darts; King Nadab, son of Jeroboam, was slain by Baaza; King Ela by Zimri; Okosias by Jehu; Athaliah by Jehoiada; the Kings Jehooiakim, Jeconiah, and Zedekiah, were led into captivity: I need not tell you what was the fate of Croesus, Astyages, Darius, Dionysius of Syracuse, Pyrrhus, Perseus, Hannibal, Jugurtha, Ariovistus, Caesar, Pompey, Nero, Otho, Vitellius, Domitian, Richard II of England, Edward II, Henry VI, Richard Ill, Mary Stuart, Charles I, the three Henrys of France, and the Emperor Henry IV."

"Neither need you tell me," said Candide, "that we must take care of our garden."

"You are in the right," said Pangloss; "for when man was put into the garden of Eden, it was with an intent to dress it; and this proves that man was not born to be idle."

"Work then without disputing," said Martin; "it is the only way to render life supportable."

The little society, one and all, entered into this laudable design and set themselves to exert their different talents. The little piece of ground yielded them a plentiful crop. Cunegund indeed was very ugly, but she became an excellent hand at pastrywork: Pacquette embroidered; the old woman had the care of the linen. There was none, down to Brother Giroflee, but did some service; he was a very good carpenter, and became an honest man. Pangloss used now and then to say to Candide:

"There is a concatenation of all events in the best of possible worlds; for, in short, had you not been kicked out of a fine castle for the love of Miss Cunegund; had you not been put into the Inquisition; had you not traveled over America on foot; had you not run the Baron through the body; and had you not lost all your sheep, which you brought from the good country of El Dorado, you would not have been here to eat preserved citrons and pistachio nuts."

"Excellently observed," answered Candide; "but let us cultivate our garden."

-THE END- .

gretavo's picture

i thought I should add...

that I of course do not condone Voltaire's racism! it's unfortunate because it does mar the passage somewhat... :(

kate of the kiosk's picture

convulsions of quiet/La Vie en Rose

"...and Martin especially concluded that man was born to live in the convulsions of disquiet, or in the lethargy of idleness...."

Oh, how absolutely beautiful! my daughter was reading Candide just recently; and although i have not yet read, I certainly will now! 

Have you seen the Edith Piaf movie yet? incredibly impressionistic/realistic, melancholy, and rich.

k

 

 

 

Lazlo Toth's picture

What a fucking awesome website – 9/11 truth AND Voltaire!

Thanks for the Candide text, Gretavo. Poetry is truly a door. You people are too fucking cool here, I’ll tell ya. I should post some Rabindranath Tagore. Oh yes, there is more to life than spending your time investigating the political crimes of wealthy, psychopathic madmen.

As Chauncy Gardener once said in Jerzy Kozinsky’s “Being There,”
“The spring will come again, and the garden will return.” And if you haven’t seen Peter Sellers in the film version of “Being There,” you must go and rent it right now.

Hey Kate, have you seen “Frida” with Salma Hayek playing Frida Khalo? Completely great.

gretavo's picture

thanks, pls post it!

we're not going to win by beating anyone, laz. we're going to do it by learning to find joy in our struggle together. and when we do, we're all going to win--all of humanity that is. isn't that what it's all about? as for voltaire, i think it's funny that a guy like him ushered in the age of "enlightenment". the age of rationality perhaps, but i'd say we've yet to reach that other one... maybe in our lifetimes?

kate of the kiosk's picture

I own a copy of Frida!

having had scoliosis as a kid with extensive surgery and flat on my back in a body cast for almost 9 months, wiling away the hours, painting, drawing, reading, listening to short wave and talking to a little parokeet - in Marocco of all places! ...i really could relate..

were just discussing that film and her on NYEve!

 

thanks Laz.

Lazlo Toth's picture

Kate, as you know

As professional 'conspiracy theorists', all of our essential news is acquired via short-wave radio, and the ability to converse with Moroccan parakeets is an essential skill. I hope your back is better now. God is mean. Frida Khalo is a genius, and I wasn’t joking about the short-wave radio thing. We can hear the top ten Kalimba hits of the Congo every Saturday night from where I am.

(After reading that back, it looked like some kind of weird intelligence code instead of the literary weirdness that it actually is. Domestic and foreign Intel agents beware, that chunk of fake blogger intel code is trademarked and copyrighted for inclusion into the book version of the movie version of “The Shill Game.”)

gretavo's picture

the parakeet sings in the morning

And wet blankets need not contramand the sleeping bellhop. Toople doople rat tat tweeeeeet. Fnaz.

Got it? wink wink

Oh, everyone remember to sunchronize your decoder rings tonight--otherwise don't complain if your shoes are too tight on the way to the ball.

juandelacruz's picture

Hi Whitey,

Hi Whitey,

I don't think the UN or any country has the wish nor the stomach to start any war in or with the US. I am from an ex colony of the US and thousands of my country men were slaughtered by US troops, but we have no ill will to the American people. We just wish you would get your house in order and stop meddling in other countries. There are a lot of good people in the US, if it were not for the great deception by the powers that be, I am sure US citizens themselves will put a stop to the madness of the power grabbing Neocons and their Zionist cohorts who want to take advantage of your military resources. Trust me, most people of the world just want to get by and go on with their lives, they do not want ANY war.

Happy New Year

and best to you too

gretavo's picture

chillax, dude!

Nothing like that is going to happen. The conspirators are not in total control. They got a hold of a few of the levers of power, but the world is mighty big and when you depend on lies for your power, and those lies are evaporating faster than piss on a skillet, you may well manage some kind of parting shot but that is not going to spark WW3, it will just hasten your demise. We are going to fix this. It's going to hurt, it's going to take a while, but it's pretty spelled out--the 9/11 perps and their enablers/apologists know their days are numbered, they just have nothing to gain by giving themselves up--they will just drag out the inevitable. And us? We just keep our cool and keep slowly but firmly raising the pressure on them.