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911blogger moderator Erik "Loose Nuke" Larson caught in a blatant lie

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Submitted by Adam Syed on Tue, 2010-06-29 20:23.

I wonder if this might finally get Larson or one of the other moderators
to come out of the woodwork.  Larson claims to have never called CIT
"disinformation" but indeed he has.  I guess he was assuming people
would take his word for it on good faith.  Fortunately, some people knew
better.  Here is the link, but I'll also paste the response from
"nobodyparticular" since not everyone follows links.

Sorry Mr. Loose Nuke Larson, I don't buy the "incompetence theory"
here.  Ladies and Gentlemen, is this the kind of man we want running
911blogger?  Because he seems to pretty much be running the site
unilaterally these days.  Though I'd like to remind everyone that it was
Justin Keogh who warned me about off-topic posts without pointing me to
an offending post.  Since that day, about a month ago, nary a peep from
the people who run blogger.

[although since it's on the 2nd page of comments the link doesn't jump directly there] 

You've never called CIT disinfo?? 

 


Loose Nuke,

You said:

I've warned a number of other people to not to call CIT liars, and
put at least one person on moderation. Though I've critiqued CIT's
claims and criticized their behavior, I've never called them liars or
disinfo, and I've specifically pointed out that they may actually
believe what they're saying, while acknowledging that I don't know if
they do or not. They have insinuated and directly said I am a liar and
disinfo.

In late December 2009 you promoted the following essay by Adam Larson
(I realize you're a different person and of no relation, but you were
clearly promoting A. Larson's piece):

http://911blogger.com/node/22239

This essay calls the National Security Alert video a
"mockumentary" even though it is nothing of the sort:

I believe they’re claiming 13 such witnesses at the moment, as
featured in their latest full-length mockumentary, and sure to grow
judging to their rhetoric.

This is the same type of tactic used by the right wingers who hated
Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. Any time I see someone kick off
a critique by calling the work it's critiquing a "mockumentary" I see a
red flag as far as objectivity. And in the comment section of that
discussion, Sarns is allowed to get away with calling
CIT liars and jimd3100 is allowed to get away with accusing CIT of conning
the movement. These people were certainly not publicly warned to
refrain from calling the CIT boys liars.

And in another
blog entry, this one actually composed by yourself, you used the
following tags:

9-11, 9/11 truth, 9/11 Truth Movement, aldo marquis, Citizen
Investigation Team, craig ranke, Disinformation, Ed Paik, Edward
Paik, misinformation, national security alert, North Side Flyover,
PentaCon, Pentagon Flyover, Shinki Paik, what hit the pentagon

While "misinformation" implies that the person spreading incorrect
info is doing so with well meaning intentions, "disinformation" implies
nefarious purposes. By having that tag on the blog entry you are indeed
accusing CIT of being intentional disinformation.

You may never have said the exact words "the CIT guys are liars" in
direct succession, but you clearly were very literally attempting to
"label" them disinformation by using that "tag".

AND in another piece you wrote, Peter
Dale Scott Does Not Endorse the Flyover Theory (and Neither Do I),
your very first tag at the top is "9/11 disinformation." You posted that
same article - and the Shinki Paik article - on your own little
wordpress blog with the same tag ("911 disinformation")

So I think it's actually very safe to say that you have indeed
'tagged' the 'label' of disinfo onto them on more than one occasion.
Will you now honestly acknowledge this?

Submitted by nobodyparticular on Sun, 06/27/2010 -
1:49pm.
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well how about this?

Submitted by gretavo on Wed, 2010-06-30 01:41.

Jon Gold
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
Posts: 998
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:54 pm

Blogger is so fucking compromised... Balsamo? Manchurian Candidate? WHAT THE FUCK?!? Who the FUCK are these people?

Rancho Truth
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Posts: 318
Location: Washington, DC

PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:26 am
everybody hates 911blogger : ( ...

nobodyparticular wrote:
This is a classic example of how 911blogger seems to be framing the debate: allow people to make false statements against banned users, and the banned users can't respond.

LillyAnn is quite correct that Sarns made false statements about TWO banned users: Kevin Barrett and Adam Syed. She is correct that Sarns misrepresented Barrett's rhetoric. Speaking of the possibility of Israeli involvement is HARDLY the same thing as declaring that "The Jews Did 9/11!!" And Barrett was speaking specifically of an interview he conducted with one of the BBC's most preeminent Middle East reporters, during which the role of possible Israeli intelligence agency involvement was discussed.

In fact, Barrett is an extremely bright scholar and is very careful to never conflate Israeli criminals with "The Jews." Why Sarns would choose to frame Barrett as claiming "the Jews did 9/11" is anyone's guess, but it's certainly irresponsible.

With regard to Syed: I challenge anyone to show me where he "announced" he is a "revisionist." Toward the end of the show, the conversation did steer toward the direction of the Holocaust with regard to the fact that Barrett hosted a debate about a month ago with the author of a book for which Syed wrote an Amazon review. That book, "Debating the Holocaust," examines the revisionist controversy in depth, and indeed, in that book's introduction and first chapter, the author disavows the notion that the holocaust "didn't happen" or is some kind of Zionist "hoax."

Indeed if you listened to the Barrett episode, you'd hear that Barrett very firmly said: "I'm not convinced that the Revisionists have made their case."

Whether Syed believes they've made their case or not is his business, but Cincinnati 9/11 Truth has a very active weekly TV show in addition to regular street actions, and I don't think you're going to find Syed standing on a street corner any time soon holding a big sign saying "Holocaust Truth NOW!"

Finally, if we zoom out of the trees and look at the entire forest, Syed is not the only one to have been banned here without explanation. We also have Stefan, OneSliceShort, Adam Ruff. At least. None of those people have uttered a word about the Holocaust. Who knows who else has been quietly censored, especially since one of the moderators here, loose nuke, says he will not comment on individual cases. So we're all just left guessing who has been excluded - for whatever reasons - and who hasn't, hardly a situation involving accountability and transparency. The comments section the past few weeks has been rather quiet compared to several months ago.

Here's a constructive situation that would clear the air considerably here: The moderators should publish a list of everyone who has been banned here or placed in a moderation queue - and the reasons why - but my guess is that that exercise in accountability and transparency would expose the true bias at this site, a bias now evident to anyone who is careful enough to pay attention to the undercurrent of censorship that has invaded what was once the premier source of 9/11 information.

Assuming no such accounting will be forthcoming, I think it's time for a new, uncensored, accountable website that will bring us ALL the 9/11 news and research - not just what the moderators here deem is "politically correct" - whatever that means.

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-06-15/wearechangela-organizer-faces-terr...

I guess that means nobody hasn't heard about WTCDisinfo, which is right up his alley.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:10 pm

Thanks for dealing with it Erik. It's a sick job, in a way, and if we each do it for as long as we can, it spreads out the nausea. The sickest job of all is wikipedia, the 9/11 pages on there. I burned out awhile ago on that. But it's a different color of illness from dealing directly with people on forums.

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who are these people, Jon?

Submitted by gretavo on Wed, 2010-06-30 01:46.

Apparently they are Erik Larson (aka Rancho Truth) and quite possibly Victronix. Anyone else notice a bit of schizophrenia coming from the fake truthers these days? Almost like too many of them have been crammed into too small a space... all we need is Nico to join true faction then they can be one big happy self contained psyop!

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"Almost like too many of

Submitted by Keenan on Wed, 2010-06-30 02:52.

"Almost like too many of them have been crammed into too small a space"

Yep. The weird thing is that although Cosmos/YT claims to not share the beliefs of these shills regarding controlled demolition and the existance of hijackers, etc., yet his tiny remaining membership of his TrueFaction forum are almost all exclusively LIE-hoppers, as most everyone else have been either banned or have left. It makes one wonder why Cosmos would want to host a 9/11 blog that is only becoming more and more unpopular with the mainstream of 9/11 truth and is seen as a joke by the rest of the movement. Why would Cosmos give refuge to those he claims to disagree with and who have alienated the rest of the movement?

TrueFaction now makes me think of that popular cliche, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", rephrased as "TrueFaction is the last refuge of a LIE-hopper scoundrel"

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THanks for posting this

Submitted by Keenan on Wed, 2010-06-30 01:53.

I was planning on posting 'nobodyparticular's comment above about wanting to create an alternative to 911Blogger and his call for making a list of all who have been banned. Someone should contact 'nobodyparticular' to point to all of us here on wtcd who have been banned. I think some collaboration is in order, and it looks like the time is right for Blogger (and TrueFaction for that matter) to finally be exposed to the rest of the movement and finally put out of business or given back to the mainstream of the truth movement who will stop using it to push unpopular theories by frauds whose ostensible views don't represent more than a tiny fraction of the real truth movement.

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"Debunking CIT Debunking"

Submitted by Adam Syed on Wed, 2010-06-30 02:46.

I think you'll like this a lot. About to post new blog entry.

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