"It is reminiscent of the scene from Peter Pan (by Scottish novelist and playwright J. M. Barrie [1860-1937]) when the faerie, Tinkerbell, swallows poison intended for Peter. Peter then gets the audience to demonstrate its belief in faeries by clapping in order to restore her to life." -John Weir
The 9/11 truth version of clapping for tinkerbell is "Clapping for LIHOP" by praising Jon Gold to show that you believe in fairy tale hijackings by "eeevil arab moozlimssss"... Every time Jon Gold threatens to quit the movement, for example, he is fishing for praise that will look like evidence that he is well-regarded and that LIHOP is a reasonable, non-racist position to take despite all the evidence against it. In the original context, people feel pressured to clap lest they be guilty of killing the good faerie Tinkerbell. In 9/11 truth, not praising Jon Gold and applauding his efforts at promoting a scenario where George Bush and Dick Cheney allowed or otherwise induced "al Qaeda" to attack America is said by some to be "divisive", the idea being to make people feel pressured to state as frequently as possible how much they appreciate "all that Jon Gold has done for this movement", even when they don't mean it. The more people in the movement are asked to "clap for Tinkerbell", the more you know that the real, mainstream truth movement is moving away from what the fake movement leaders want them to believe and promote.
UPDATE 2/1/10: It took him a while, but here he is, looking for some applause!
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| The problem is a lot of veterans don't even deal with the movement anymore..
But Im all for a new site. Thats all I need to jump ship..
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I want a site I don't mind sharing with other people. That site which shall remain nameless is an embarrassment to me. When I think of all of the work that made that site that shall remain nameless the most popular 9/11 Truth site on the planet, and then I look at it now... in its current condition, I get nausea. |
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So far....
this time, he seems to be staying "dead." We shall see...
well, he has to wait for enough people to clap...
but who wants to spend all their credibility capital clapping for LIHOP these days?
applause!
What a clown!
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6310
I must say
I'm a little weirded out by this whole chain of events. If anything, I thought it might eventually be the more MIHOP end of the 911blogger pendulum that would "revolt" and create a brand new news site. But ever since Reprehensor left, discussion of CIT's work (which totally destroys the hijacker myth) has been permitted much to the dismay of people like Truthmover, Gold, ZBH and others. Jules says he's largely behind this new site in the making, but he already created truthmove.org and that site never really went anywhere. He says the new site will be intended to "reflect positively on the movement" but anyone who looks at "truthmover" posts at TA knows he's one of the most negative balls of energy out there.
who knows...
It would be great if the insane clown posse at truthaction all made a new LIHOP friendly site centered around Jon Gold's cult of personality (such as it is.) But let's face it--they've tried it before, with truthaction, truthmove, and lord knows what other failed ventures and they must surely know that NO ONE CARES.
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Gold is so pissed off that he failed in his attempt to convince the blogger team to ban yours truly. He was thinking that my so called "sockpuppet schtick" would universally outrage the team and that would be the end of me. Unfortunately the whole thing backfired, LeftWright became aware of the "cold war" between the two sites and actually extended an olive branch to try and come to some sort of understanding. Then, when Gold posted off topic comments confronting me about "insane hussein," I complained to the blogger team and asked for the comments to be deleted. Much to Gold's chagrin, they WERE deleted. The team also deleted a comment by Wolsey which was a personal attack on me. This further infurated Gold. I think it's my presence at blogger that finally caused him to 'implode.' :p
And I think it was seeing my name on the Byron Pitts thread that pissed him off to create that truthaction thread today. (After I came back after being gone a few days.)
I was just perusing CIT's forum. I had forgotten just how either clueless or shameless Gold can be.
You gotta ac-cen-tu-ate the positive...
This is from Truthmove (bearing in mind that "Truthmod" is the other moderator there, but "Truthmover" -- Jules -- agrees with this perspective and that this "positive reflection" on the truth movement was written TODAY -- that is, the same day that the new pull-it-out-of-our-veteran-asses site was proposed/announced):
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If you had an opportunity to speak publicly for 20 minutes at a high profile 9/11 Truth event - what key points would you hit?
I would excoriate them for allowing their "movement" to be hijacked by dis/misinformation agents, whackos, right-wingers and libertarians. I would tell them that I don't want to be associated with what this movement has become. Basically, I would tell them that, on the whole, they are pathetic, irrational, irresponsible, paranoid, ignorant, losers and pawns. I would say that if there are people among them who are better than this, I challenge them to stand up and show themselves and CLEARLY disassociate from the majority segment of this counterproductive movement. I would challenge them to stand up as radical environmentalists and compassionate humanists, and if they refused I would scoff at them and never look back.
If you had to distill 9/11 Truth down to the most salient key points for a newbie audience - what would those key points be?
I'm not interested in doing this anymore. I did this with this website and with many, many fliers, presentations, conversations, etc. There is only so much you can do in the face this level of willful ignorance and massive, well-funded subversion of reason and truth.
From personal experience, "9/11 truthers" are narrow-minded, undisciplined, and ineffective activists. Only perhaps 1 in 100 is someone I would trust to do more good than harm to the cause of truth and justice.
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Agreed.
what do they have against librarians?
I would excoriate them for allowing their "movement" to be hijacked by dis/misinformation agents, whackos, right-wingers and librarians
Typically not snappy dressers...
You know, the New York Truth crowd sets the fashion bar pretty high.
truthmod and truthmover
AMEN, brothers!
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Do these pants make my ass look big? Would you tell me if they did?
Oh, funny!
yes but...
ok that is pretty funny--you could always count on dicktater for a laugh amidst the noise of his other posts. but isn't it "ye of the penis potato"? I mean, he's not "taterdick"...
Dicktater gold
Post #4
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5521
Still makes me chuckle.
No comment
"every time" is two words, Jon
Adam
I applaud your tenacity to continue evidential arguments long after many others like myself would either have given up or degraded into ban able / censored comments. I wrote a comment(Censored there copied here somewhere) in support of you when you were attacked for your socks etc, as the situation in regard to this site, irrelevant attacks , and apparent bias by site focus inevitably leads to such deviousness (Asymmetrical Blogging).
I also believe that the CIT line is an important discussion/ valid research, and that the way it was excluded and framed at 911B was wrong.
However, although you might have been the final straw, I dont think you should portray events at 911B as a victory for you or CIT's evidence.
If it is true as LW suggested , that the most divisive issue is what happened at the Pentagon( I would have thought lihop/Terrorist myths) then I have to say that I think it is undesirable, as I do not consider that 'line' to be anywhere near as conclusive or damaging to the OT than WTC Demolition. If, as I have argued elsewhere , volume alone (advertising) = promotion of the 'best evidence' (in the absence of any other selection or promotion), then the comparative importance of the Pentacon has been massively overstated. On this point alone I would have to agree with the muppets.
14 or even 50 eye witnesses can be subject to memory flaws/ suggestive influence /mis interpretation, misrepresentation
or even bribes. Arguments on both sides of 'CIT' acknowledge this, so whilst useful,and a valid indicator,I cant support the claim that in the current incarnation this evidence 'proves' the OT/hijacking myth wrong , whereas I believe CD does, and is also an easier and more motivational 'Sell'.
I'm trying to stay a step ahead of the perps
After all, at WTCD especially, isn't there the suspicion that the perps and gullible MSM might eventually acknowledge 'secondary devices' at the WTC (i.e. when ae911truth reaches 10,000 or 100,000 architects and engineers) but try to blame it on the Evil Muslims? Remember, William Rodriguez has even said he saw one of the "hijackers" in the building months before the attacks and has said he felt sure that the guy was "casing" the towers.
Bombs in the Pentagon, though: THAT can not be spun onto the Evil Muslims. Forget about "flyover," the real incriminating evidence they're gatekeeping against is BOMBS IN THE PENTAGON. For me personally, the north flight path has been proven to my satisfaction. Though I do understand what you mean about eyewitnesses and the power of suggestion, suggestive influence, and how it's possible for lots of eyewitness accounts to be false. I don't think that the 14 could essentially all be wrong in the same way though. Granted no two witness drawings of the flight path are exactly the same, but imagine: You and thirteen others are staring straight ahead. You all see a plane fly over and past yourselves to your left. Now, when questioned later, one person might point to his ten o'clock position when asked to point up to where the plane was. Another person might point to the 11:00 position. Maybe another points to 9:30. But none of them point to the 2:00 position. Do you see what I mean?
Thanks for the support. My friend from Cincinnati 9/11 truth also submitted a comment in support of me that never got posted.
Ok Fair enough.
There should be multiple lines anyway, but my point against the muppets and you is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Personally I think If MSM ever gave up the ground to explosives, it would be fatal to Silverstein, as it was well documented that the NYC port authority denied permission to demolish the towers on several occasions due to asbestos risks.(Haliburton were responsible for the Asbestos abatement) and facing massive costs to dismantle both towers brick by brick from scaffolding, as the towers were redundant and inefficient and had to be demolished soon anyway.They lost a crucial court decision before 9/11 when the insurance companies were absolved of the liability to pay for the asbestos abatement.
Let alone who had access to nanothermite technology, or the 8 years that the MSM and governments vilified the 911 truth movement. If you offered me the Official 911 truth 2.01 right now, I would jump at the chance to use that against them and go on the offensive with momentum.