Latest Controversies
First of all:
"Jewishness". Is that a word? This seems to be the theme of the day.
I'm curious:
What is a "jewish" person? Is it race? Is it religion?
Am I supposed to be defined by the fact that I'm Irish/Scottish/English and that my father's father was a Protestant?
My father is an agnostic; does that make me one too? (I am, incidentally;)
Seems silly in this day and age, what with advanced molecular biology and all.
We're all human beings, we're all cursed/blessed to live on this planet as she zooms through the universe. It's time to put aside all this race/religion nonsense.
I don't mean to say that people should burn their Bibles, Korans, Talmuds and bhagavad vita's and start worshipping Richard Dawkins, I just mean that it's absurd to think that God, if he/she exists, "plays favorites". There is wonderful “moderate†literature in all three religions, believe it or not. I recommend the work of Karen Armstrong, who's work outlines many of these visionaries.
Then it’s on to Hume and Berkeley and blanket skepticism ;)
Think about this now: is it even remotely logical or, for that matter, spiritual to suggest that nine-tenths of the people on this ugly/beautiful blue pearl of ours will burn in eternal hell fire because they don't worship a particular deity? It's beyond absurd. It's insulting to my (God-given;) intelligence.
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Zionism:
The problem with Zionism (or one of the many problems) is that it belongs in the first century AD. I mean could you imagine, say, the Inuit, finding an ancient text detailing their exodus from Bermuda and deciding that they were "entitled" to the island as a result? Could you thence imagine them establishing a state where all the original inhabitants were to be considered second class citizens to be slaughtered at will? It's fucking crazy. Even more crazy is that most people apparently consider such a scheme A-Ok. Are you gonna tell me that the Inuit have been any less persecuted than the Jews? No, I didn't think so.
I consider the racist philosophy of Zionism to be all mixed up with 911 truth. You can’t avoid it, you can’t pretend it isn’t happening, it’s right there for all to see.
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Controversies:
I'll be candid here and express my opinions on the recent controversies.
- RT, you're a highly intelligent fellow and I like most of your posts but I think you're wasting your time attacking specific individuals. I also think it’s wrong to jump the gun and smear people based on “the gutâ€. Intuition doesn’t stand in a court of law, and I think it’s pretty low to drag people’s names through the mud because you feel that they’re not up to par.
Attack what "they" say if you disagree with it, but there’s no point in character smears.
- On the subject of the Jewish Holocaust...
I think it's an absolute disgrace that people are being sent to jail for questioning body counts. History, or the study thereof, is a constant process of revision. The term "revisionist" is actually just another name for historian.
I will say this however.
If the argument is that without the gas chambers the state of Israel would be non-existent, I say bullshit. Jews were viciously persecuted during WWII, just as Jews are now viciously persecuting Palestinians. Is it a matter of degree? Concentration camps are enough.
Here’s what I find more interesting:
Let's say that the "official story" of the "holocaust" is correct -- that six million Jews perished during WWII.
According to Iris Chang (now deceased, via suicide supposedly) and other historians, over 20 million Chinese perished in WWII.
Most historians agree that upwards of 20 million Russians perished during the same time period.
The numbers for the Native American holocaust are widely disputed, but some estimates place the number as high as 100 million.
The question we should be asking ourselves is why the Jewish persecution should be regarded as "unique" while the deaths of millions of Russians and Chinese are footnotes in the history books; why countless museums should be built to honor Jewish victims of the "holocaust" but not anarchists, communists, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, the disabled etc. (who died in equal numbers); why other genocides are considered "progress" or geopolitical necessity and not deserving of recognition; why the suffering of one race should be paramount, and deserving of the word "holocaust", while everyone else is somehow "lesser".
The numbers game doesn’t really interest me. I suppose that may be considered a cop-out, but far more fascinating to my sensibilities is why 6 million is more important than 20 million, provided the latter have slanty eyes.
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Why?
"why 6 million is more important than 20 million"
I've often thought about this. I think it boils down to marketing.
more complicated
you guys should really read up on the holocaust and the significance of the 6 million. I recommend Roger Garaudy's The Founding Myths of Modern Israel. It is not a racist polemic by any means. the existence of gas chambers and the whole idea of extermination versus expulsion is hugely important--one puts the Germans at the pinnacle of world evil, the other makes them only about as bad on the whole as the victors of WW2. 6 million is a sacred number that was bandied about even in the aftermath of WWI. The whole thing is a crock. I don't want to constantly have to repeat myself about how what happened to Jews andothers is obviously still a tragedy, but to gloss over this point as irrelevant is simply not wise.
On the subject of religion--yes, most religions have some redeeming qualities, but many also have more than offsetting negative things inherent in their traditions and/or text. The problem as I see it is not so much with that being in question, it is how selectively these days religions are criticized. Christianity is shown in all its worst pervesions, as is Islam. On the other hand, we are constantly told that Judaism is not Zionism and the implication is that Judaism is a-OK without the Zionism.
Oh boy... Again, people have to do their reading. Look at the book of Deuteronomy (from the OT or Torah) Judaism for whatever reason developed as a closed religion of a single chosen people. It describes a jealous and vengeful god who strikes down their enemies if the people are good to him and punishes them fiercely if they are not. That's just the Torah. Switch to the Talmud and the fun really starts. If you want to be a crooked lawyer you would do well to study the rabbinical commentaries found in the Babylonian Talmud. Minutiae about god's law and how to interpret it, and in many cases how to get around it abound.
Also in the Talmud are a host of racist diatribes against non-Jews, including the explanation of the story of Ham, Noah's son, that explains just why his children were made "black and ugly" with kinky hair, big lips, red eyes, and big exposed gentials. Ham didn't just gaze on Noah's naked body sleeping, he in fact castrated and raped his father, according to te Talmud. Any surprise then that Jews and blacks have traditionally been at odds (until the 1960's civil rights movement?) Read Prof. Tony Martin's story about the smear campaign launched against him when he assigned reading from the Nation of Islam's historical study of Jewish involvement in the African slave trade...
Speaking of the slave trade, even 6 million as a number pales in comparison to the millions of Africans slaughtered during the long history of European (including Jewish) slave trade. This holocaust is rarely acknowledged properly--which may have something to do with the difference in restitution provided to its victims compared to that extorted since WW2 by the Jewish holocaust industry.
When the Jewish Bill Cosby is plastered all over the mainstream news calling on Jews to "stop complaining and acknowledge their shortcomings" I MAY begin to believe that the world is becoming more just place--otherwise I think that the modern fixation on European suffering whilst ignoring the vastly greater amount of African suffering at the hand of those Europeans to be an exercise in chauvinistic self-obsessed victimization, embellished with lies at that.
Finally, when any individual attacks me, like Lemonhokum or Jon Gold, I will not spare them their deserved tongue lashing, whether it reflects poorly on me or not. Life is too short to give people like them a free pass...
rt, we need people like you
rt, we need people like you in the truth movement.. im a member of the "truth movement" although i havent got my card and im not sure if im the only member or not.. i like all truth no matter how fucked up it makes me feel..
im sick of all these people that think every word typed on a blog is being said to someone that doesnt know 911 was an inside job.. if these 3 sites are the only places where people can find the truth about 911 then we are fucked..
it sure seem that everyone is happy with what they think the truth is about the holocaust which is fucking crazy to me.. to act like all this talk on the net is worthless is crazy too, i learn something everyday from these blogs..
man, i like you, you're smart
it's posts like this that keep me coming to this site.
Wish I had time for all your recommended reading but I imagine it will only make me more angry than I already am.
don't get angry!
and don't get "even" either! just be thankful that you're breaking free of the cage that we've all ahd built around us since birth. freedom feels weird at first but we all get used to it.
While I agree with most of what you said, Danse.
I think this will help your understanding of the controversies.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5320237220276205736&q=jews+decl...
who needs to move beyond race and religion?
us? or the Zionists and those that they manipulate with them? arguably everyone should get over a lot of things...
Just for the record RT, I
Just for the record RT, I obviously do not believe that the Jewish religion should be exempt from criticism, nor did I suggest as much in the initial blog.
I began it by suggesting that the whole idea of passing on a religion through one’s genes is absurd to begin with, and that people should question the dogmas passed onto them via their parents, whether Jewish, Christian, Buddhist or otherwise.
I do agree that the religion of Judaism has become a taboo subject, even more so than Zionism; whereas Christianity, Islam and [insert other religion here] can be mocked till the cows come home, Judaism is strictly off limits. This is not conducive to healthy interaction between people of different faiths. Taboo subjects should be explored, nor censored.
As for religion itself, well there are two schools of thought on how to go about curtailing fundamentalism, both of which have failed miserably. One is the frontal attack a la Diderot or Hume or Dawkins; the other is to appeal to the “better angels†of one’s being and promote the positive aspects of a specific religion (assuming there are any).
Personally, I think it’s a mistake to ridicule religion per se.
“Men and women started to worship gods as soon as they became recognizably human; they created religions at the same time as they created works of art. This was not simply because they wanted to propitiate powerful forces; these early faiths expressed the wonder and mystery that seem always to have been an essential component of the human experience.â€
“Human beings cannot endure emptiness and desolation; they will fill the vacuum by creating a new focus of meaning. The idols of fundamentalism are not good substitutes for God; if we are to create a vibrant new faith for the twenty-first century, we should, perhaps, ponder the history of God for some lessons and warnings.†(Armstrong, A History of God)
I think that attacking an individual’s beliefs tends to achieve the opposite of the desired effect. There is surely a “middle way†here in which we can reject fundamentalism and literalism yet embrace spirituality and common ground.
You intimate that the Jewish religion in particular is more exclusionary than others; I’m not sure this is correct. It seems to me that every religion, insofar as it is touted as the “one truth pathâ€, is entirely exclusionary. The “goy†of the Jewish faith can be approximated by “infidels†In Islam or “savages living without God†according to Christianity, or even “liberals†according to the Jerry Falwel-type wackos.
Insofar as you think Jewish fundamentalism is being ignored and should be addressed – I agree – but I think fundamentalism in general is a far bigger problem.
Scholars of every religion have presented an “enlightened†or “moderate†approach throughout the centuries – a non-literalist approach which stresses many paths to the top of the mountain.
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On the Jewish holocaust:
I admit I was a little flippant in the original post. I haven’t actually studied the matter, to be honest. In fact, as a Canadian, I could go to jail for such indiscretions! Seriously though, while I appreciate standing up against the Zionist thugs, I still find it far more interesting that “6 million†is important while “20 million†is not. Why Holocaust museums try to omit mention of the other (what? 5 million?) victims of the concentration camps. Why, as you say, there isn’t a museum in every city for the victims of the slave trade.
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On personal attacks.
The more we make it about personalities, the less we make it about the facts.
nice points Danse
I used to think less of religious people (as an adolescent) but after pursuing the "scientific" path to truth long enough I realized that it is as much based on faith as religion--ultimately no scientist can answer the fundamental question of existence--i've found a personal philosophy that accepts the one-ness of the universe and everything in it is my own "positivist" solution.
On Judaism, the difference is in the creed itself--it does not actively seek converts, which is fine, but it doesn't traditionally even welcome them as a rule. Christianity was about, among other things, opening the worhip of the god of the old testament to all people. In any case religion should be a personal choice and exclusion is fine, but in the case of Judaism cum Zionism it has found a rather negative expression. No less than any number of militant and intolerant strains of any other religion. I am against tyranny of the mind as such, not any one faith.
As for the holocaust, the 6 million and all that, it IS a shame, and should be alarming (and revealing) to people that discussion of the issue is forbidden by law insomuch as it does not conform to the state's conception of what it entailed. Living under that kind of tyranny is quite simply not living in my opinion--it is having your life lived for you. I intend to use my freedoms before I lose them!
And yes, in the end I would much prefer to die standing than to live kneeling.