Support the GI Resistance -- Korey Rowe Arrested for Desertion

casseia's picture

Despite my personal challenges as a member of Smart-Alecks Anonymous, I am going to refrain from mentioning Michael Chertoff's gut's solidarity or the ever-present specter of the AJ-esque publicity stunt and just keep it at brass tacks level: People who physically resist the war deserve our support first and foremost, and our cynicism and smart-assery only after that.

Iraq Vets Against the War
Courage to Resist
Local newspaper coverage

I'll add to this later. For now, I find it bizarre that the LC Forum people seem a little ambivalent about supporting Korey qua deserter -- like it's insufficiently macho or something. It makes me want to revive that (problematic) slogan from the Viet Nam era, and revise it for current use: "Girls and Boys Say Yes to Boys and Girls Who Say No, in any and all combinations!"

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gretavo's picture

alright, they have your support

Now comes my smart-aleckiness:

First of all, if you are going to conscientiously object do it like a man, or like a woman if that's what you are. Not like a weasel. He was duped into signing up? Admit the mistake and draw attention to the fact that you are deserting. Don't just do it and go hook up with a friend who made a movie and proceed to live it up in Hollywood. There are plenty of people who took the honorable route whose names I can't remember right now because they have never gotten as much publicity as the great Korey Rowe.

This stinks to high heaven. Are we really to believe that Oneonta police went looking for him because he was a deserter? I mean, if they stopped him for speeding and ran a check on him and found a warrant from the army I would buy it. But this seems a bit too staged considering who all's involved.

Of COURSE I respect anyone's decision not to continue to participate in an illegal war. What I do not respect is Korey Rowe. Not only do I not respect him I do not trust him.

Anyway, glad you're here for balance, Cass!

casseia's picture

"Plenty of people... whose names I can't remember"

Yeah, it kind of sucks, doesn't it. Here are some of the people I admire, whose names deserve to be known at least as much as those of the LC boyz, IMO.

Most recently, I heard Augustin Aguayo and his very articulate and smart wife Helga Aguayo speak here in Portland. Augustin realized in the middle of basic training that he was a conscientious objector in the narrowest sense -- that he couldn't kill another human being in any war. He spent his first tour in Iraq with an unloaded weapon and when it was time to go back he deserted and subsequently spent almost a year in prison. I heard Darrell Anderson speak in Portland in December -- he went to Iraq, came back, and rather than return to Iraq split to Canada and then came back to go public. Darrell came to the 9/11 conference in Arizona. He has severe PTSD, owes a lot for legal fees, and is broke. Ehren Watada is the first commissioned officer to refuse to go to Iraq -- he is NOT a conscientious objector but an objector to an illegal war. (He offered to go to Afghanistan instead... oh well.) I took Lily out of school for a day in February and she and I went on a little road trip up to Fort Lewis, where his court martial was being held. (Lily saw a guy with a button that said "Give the pretzel another chance" and has been obsessed with that slogan ever since.)

Anyway, none of them are perfect. You can argue they all knew what they were getting into and then bailed (which I don't really think is true, because my impression is that war is far worse than what we can imagine before we go fight in one or have to live in the middle of one.) Rowe is certainly not perfect, but in my mind he does get credit just for the act of desertion -- even if his motivation was simply to have more time to make a slick piece of disinfo. Really. Any desertion challenges the meme that once you're in you're in and you're staying in and doing what they tell you to do, and just the example of someone NOT staying in might encourage another person to resist, possibly for better reasons.

Anyway, I had time to check out some of the AJ coverage and it's pretty gross. They're painting him as a "political prisoner" who was taken in because of his involvement with Loose Change. I'd say depicting it that way is premature at best and uh, well, you know what at worst.

The local police received a tip about Rowe's warrant from "outside the department." Mmm hmm. I certainly wouldn't presume to speculate about that... not!

Rowe has an enormous opportunity here to do what you suggest he should already have done, and that is to make his status as a deserter public and an act of resistance against the war.

casseia's picture

Gaaaaah...

The LC blog has a little video snippet of Rowe at the airport, not in custody but going to Fort Campbell just to "straighten things out so he won't have to be a political prisoner anymore." In the vid he's addressing "Alex." This is not unexpected, but pretty sucky.

gretavo's picture

if you're going to desert

then desert. and if you don't want to do it with a lot of fanfare, then don't do OTHER stuff with a lot of fanfare. This is pure PR stunt all the way so as to enrich the Loose Change legend. This is just crass. The Loose Change boyz and Alex Jones have gone too far. They suck ass, period.

gretavo's picture

isn't it illegal to videotape inside an airport

even before 9/11 that was the case. a scofflaw to boot! where's DHS when you really need em?? Remember when Mandela and Solzhenytsin each got on a plane to go work it out with their oppressors so they wouldn't have to be political prisoners anymore? It'll be just like that! What a guy!!

gretavo's picture

Camilo Mejia

Another good one...

Lemonhoko's picture

Anyways, been fun

Loosechange probably woke up more people to 911 truth than any other single video. Alex Jones has probably woke up more people to the curruptness of whats going on than any single radio personality on air.

Although I dont always agree with Alex's style of expression, I dont think he is what you are folks are painting him to be.

Im afraid I will be visiting this sight far less than I have in the past. I dont think my views mesh with some here and Im not here to fight over personalities or theories.
It seems real suspicous that 911B was pretty much closed down to comments, and we are directed to certain sites that seem to incite alot of divisive attitudes and issues, such as holocost haters, zionists, and singling out personalities for conflict, such as Jon Gold, Alex Jones, LC etc...

You may call it research, but I see little of that here. I see more items posted to bait posters into arguments that have little to no bearing to get this to a reinvestigation of 911.
Anyways, been fun, and I will occasionally check back hoping for some blogs that could help the movement.

Good luck all in your push for the Truth to come out.
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The 11th Day of Every Month

casseia's picture

Damnit, gretavo -- they know!

Our sekrit pact with the 911bloggerites -- it has been revealed!

Just kidding, Lemonhoko -- no hard feelings -- see you around.

gretavo's picture

oh no!

oh well, I hope Lemonhoko will keep us abreast of any more 24/7 type bomb threats--that kind of sharp eye for research is something the truth movement needs. that and lots of unity. sorry I can't be more gracious...

Lemonhoko's picture

"sorry I can't be more

"sorry I can't be more gracious"

Youre as gracious as expected. Im sure with your attitude and gift of commodere, you will have a "hoppin" blog here with all 6 of your usual posters.

Have fun with your limited views, friends and agenda.

Hope you learn to deal with your hate in a more postive way RT.

CyaS :)

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The 11th Day of Every Month

gretavo's picture

thanks

for playing! buh bye!

I'll see what I can do about all this hate. If I can focus and harness it it may prove to be useful for boiling water and the like.

Good luck under the big tent, Lemon--and watch your back there... Matthew 7:15-16

gretavo's picture

when has 911B ever directed anyone here?

Mine is the one 9/11 site they never listed in their 3 mile long blogroll... they listed Killtown's site for the longest time, but not mine even after I asked dz to.

but yeah, the plan all along was to censor 911B to send people here.

Jpass's picture

Grooming 911blogger Malcontents

You don't need to be listed on 9/11 Blogger. I bet you were there grooming the 9/11 Blogger malcontents...for months...maybe years! We are not hard to pick out.

A tell-tale sign is the stones to speak up when one thinks someone is full of shit or that an argument is a red-herring. In my case it was the Pakistani ISI goose chase blog. What was it you said...

"When I read your blog...I feel like the cavalry has arrived Jpass"

Any organized effort to mis-direct 9/11 Blogger malcontents would have been underway months before the 9/11Blogger controlled demolition.

;)

gretavo's picture

no JPass, it would have taken thousands of infiltraitors

and one of us would have confessed. this is the problem with you paranoids--everything is a big conspiracy to you. surely someone would have noticed all those thousands of agents milling about 911B doing their dirty work. and what about the phone calls, huh? what about the PHONE CALLS??

:D

gretavo's picture

A Tribute to Lemonhoko on the Occasion of His Departure

Celebrating 4 blogs of real research...

911 Truth and the UFO Diversion

Lemon's now classic first blog on UFO's. Classic. Nuff said.

Zionist, Zionist, Zionist...

Lemon's blog about how there is too much talk of Zionism on this site - maybe we could tone it down, he said, when few dared to dream of such lofty ideals of justice for Zionists!

WeAreChange confronts Mccain

Lemon's third blog, where he really came into his own, in a brilliant repost of a story on 911Blogger featuring We Are Change, the guys that ran around New York promoting Mark Dice's site, resistancemanifesto.com, giving the "you are NWO CFR Tri-Lateral SCUM!!" treatment to the battered and beleaguered John McCain.

Major bombing threat to New York on Wednesday July 18 -- Please warn the American people

In Lemonhoko's final blog he practically singlehandedly saved New York from destruction by Israeli agents planning an attack on the auspicious 24/7 date. Mossad said yes, Lemonhoko said NO!

And so we bid adieu to a man, some say a woman, but all agree a hero, who struggled amidst toxic clouds of hate to find survivors amid the wreckage of the controlled demolition of Apartment 911B and show them the light of tolerance and good--nay, astoundingly good--judgement and the highest standards of fine research.

Ladies, gentlemen, and NWO scum--Lemonhoko has left the building.

[moment of silence]

larry horse's picture

don't worry

i will pick up the slack! i'm currently working on a shape-shifting lizard blog which will also include breaking news from the late, great redd foxx. he has been appearing in my dreams warning of an impending attack from dinosaurs who have been living in secret massive underground habitats (with plumbing, i might add). i should get the rest of the details during my next nap. i'll keep you posted!

Jpass's picture

Killer Bees Started All This Shit

No dummy...

I've survived the influx of the killer bees during the early 90's...fuck I lived right by the border of Mexico...and I SAW the maps where the red blob was moving towards the border of Arizona!

I've survived the Hanta Virus pandemic that apparently ravaged or was going to ravage the South West USA....caused by mouse poo!!

I've survived the SARS pandemic...

I've never had a flu shot and I'm still alive!

Monkey Pox passed right by me I guess...

I'm sure I can handle a few dinosaurs.

inside's picture

did he just call us

did he just call us holocaust hater??? thats fucking funny, does he like like the holocaust??? i dont like to be lied to or believe in things that are untrue.

i have been following the truth movement for about 5 years and i have never like alex jones.. he is was too right wing for me with the whole border issue and global warming is a hoax crap...

let me just say, if global warming is a big hoax then i need to just check out of this huge mind fuck!!!!

gretavo's picture

i think it was holocost hater

he also said I have the gift of commodere... I really want to know what that is!

Anyway, I dedicate my latest post on Truthaction to Lemonhoko.

I swear I'm trying to get better...

inside's picture

yes, i was being nice with

yes, i was being nice with the spelling. lol

let me just say that i havent seen you say anything that i found to be racist or even close to being hate speech...

rt, did you get my retarded pm i sent you over at truthaction? lol just making sure that you got it..

gretavo's picture

i did not!

YT must be censoring PMs... KIDDING! YT is OK as far as I know... :)

inside's picture

you really didnt get it??

you really didnt get it??

gretavo's picture

really. didn't.

you (and anyone else) can just email me at " rt attention wtcdemolition datsun com "... i actully don't get PMs that are sent through this site because i don't actually use the email that the gretavo alias is registered under...

Jpass's picture

as far as I know

YT is cool as far as I know. It was strange because I was doing research on the founders of that Guerrilla News Network owners/operators and got major heat from the 'regulars'...as is always the case when you expose shills on their own web site. And I was getting supportive comments from various users that I'd never had any contact with.

Years later I find out it was YT and one of his 20+ usernames hehehe

YT, myself, and a few others discredited GNN and that is when I started to talk with YT quite often. I helped him set up TruthAction.org a while back and haven't talked to him since.

Great guy. I doubt a true shill would need my help setting up a discussion forum and a few simple html pages.

In the end it was Alex Jones that pushed us apart...sniff sniff...

YT is down with the Jones big time.

I just can't get back into AJ. His Jonesian approach just doesn't cut it for me. You get that scum? I said did you hear me scum?

Lazlo Toth's picture

Alex Jones, Pretzels, and Loose Change

"Give the pretzel another chance!" LOL That would be a great bumpersticker. Hey Cass, I haven’t had a chance to say it, but I’ve enjoyed reading some of your recent posts here and elsewhere. Man, you were givin’ it to Jon Gold. Holy shit. It was like the old days. Anyways, thanks for remembering some of these “just say no to an illegal slaughter” guys like Ehren Watada and Augustin Aguayo. We need more people to just say no. We also need a National Strike. If there is no fodder for the cannons, then the cannons do not go off.

As this is a thread related to the old, and never-tiring subject of disinfo and disinfo agents, I also wanted to put my two cents in here on people like Alex Jones, the Loose Change makers, or Luke Rudkowski, and others whose sincerity and intent have been subject to doubts from various disparate quarters of the “9/11 Truth Movement.” Also, on a side note, if I am in some kind of “movement,” I just wanted to say that, after four years, I haven’t gotten my membership card yet. Are there membership cards?

Although, at this point, saying Korey Rowe is a “political prisoner” can perhaps be interpreted as part of Alex Jones’ “radio show host” love for the dramatic, still it is interesting that it actually was the U.S. military contacting the local police to carry out the warrant for “desertion.” Although “Loose Change” might be labeled “disinfo” by the “hard-core 9/11 investigator” because it will not (and cannot) tell the absolute whole story, still, the story it does tell is horrible, shocking, and controversial enough, as it is, and I am sure that there are upper level people in the military who would love to put the screws on a guy who “refuses to serve,” and instead, spends his time making and promoting a film whose basic premise they see as the most vile of “treasonous enemy propaganda.” Although certain research flaws and the unintended creation of “strawmen” were present in “Loose Change,” I don’t think that Dylan and the boys actually started out with the concept of let’s make a 9/11 disinfo film, get rich, and party in Hollywood. Along the way though, I’m sure, they have been told that their presentation must finger the White House and leave hanging in the air the final questions regarding who might have been able to authorize and set up the controlled demolitions.

I do completely agree with you, Casseia, on what you wrote here:

“Rowe has an enormous opportunity here to do what you suggest he should already have done, and that is to make his status as a deserter public and an act of resistance against the war.”

I know that for Gretavo and others, internet-movie wunderkinds gone “Hollywood” and the mixing of bull-horning, Texas, conservative Christian “showmanship” and merchandising with 9/11 truth as represented by Alex Jones really bugs him, but as our good friend, Lemonhoko wrote, “Loosechange probably woke up more people to 9/11 truth than any other single video. Alex Jones has probably woke up more people to the corruptness of what’s going on than any single radio personality on air.” He does have a valid point there, and even hardcore people, such as myself and some of my friends, feel that, on such a controversial subject as 9/11 with its host of other related controversial subjects, we are happy that any truth at all is available on any kind of media. And besides, you can’t suddenly take people from the thought level of “The President would never do that” all the way up to the insane visions of Benjamin Netanyahu. Besides, as publicly available corporate org charts show, all channels of major media communication, including internet, are owned and controlled by families sympathetic to the Zionist ideology of a “Jewish State,” thus on any media there will be a mechanism installed for complete shutdown of information flow when the subject of 9/11 is broached. This is doubly so when the subject of 9/11 and its connections to Israel is broached. I believe that Alex Jones and the projects connected to him (Loose Change and We are Change) are indeed sincere in their work of information dissemination and activism. Although Luke Rudkowski is definitely not any sort of polished spokesman for “the movement,” it still takes a lot of guts to approach someone like Zbig or David Rockefeller and his armed bodyguards to call him out on his NWO shit. Rockefeller is NWO, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg scum, just read his memoirs. I think AJ and these other 9/11 activists do care about their country. I simply think that they are working within a range of truth which is limited by a desire to continue to get “truth” out, yet still maintain a radio presence to do so on, and not give the media red bait like “anti-Semitic hate speech” to distract the public away from the message. If the 9/11 truth movement comes to be universally branded as JOO HATERS, then no truth of any sort will get out, and that is a fact. With regards to 9/11, I look at Alex Jones or “Loose Change,” as an entranceway or gateway to the fuller show, a show which is a lot more complicated than “let Osama and his jihadi boys attack us, so we can turn around and take the Arabs’ oil.” Even the LIHOPPY “Press for Truth” film, though not exactly putting Lewis Eisenberg’s home address and photo on the screen, actually did gently start a lot of people out on their 9/11 truth roads.

Personally, I do not hold the fanatical, paranoid attitude adopted by people such as Eric Hufschmid that anyone who doesn’t publicly present the 9/11 story as a 100% Israeli Zionist operation must themselves be “Zionist shills” on the payroll of Mossad or the ADL. I’ve even heard Barrie Zwicker called a “Zionist shill” because he doesn’t constantly trumpet the connections between the media’s cover-up of 9/11 and the possibility of Israeli involvement in 9/11. Having said these things, I also think that it is not unreasonable to assume that people or websites in the 9/11 media spotlight, such as 911B, Alex Jones and the “Loose Change” crew, have been approached or advised to stay within the “Cheney-Bush did it” arena by people whose initially friendly warnings are to be taken seriously.

gretavo's picture

well, we will disagree mildly on this one

because I see no good reason to give them as much credibility as they seem to have in some truth circles, but many reasons to doubt them. it doesn't matter how many people they can take credit for waking--who's to say that in their absence someone else would not have been able to wake more people by using a less juvenile, right wingish and commercial style?

gretavo's picture

Just saw the video...

political prisoner... HA! who does this kid think he is, Nelson Mandela? I repeat--what a dickhead. This is just so fucking disrespectful to every real political prisoner in the world. Alex Jones is a publicity whore and a shill for the Israel lobby. To call the Loose Change boyz useful idiots is tempting, but despite their not being the brightest bulbs in the attic I think useful idiot implies they don't know what they're doing but they do. Hey dudes, you wanna be famous heroes? Here's what we want you to do. We'll give you a ton of publicity and money and you pretend to be heroic truthtellers. Just be sure you tell everyone Israel had nothing to do with 9/11.

Big_D's picture

I can't even muster fake indignation.

Though I fully support anyone who resists the imperial machine. Those of us who have graduated the k-12 school level of 9-11 research see through those who speak out of both sides of their mouth. Anyone who really speaks truth does not make a living doing it, when in fact, just the opposite is true.

Sorry you feel slighted by the perceived disrespect of the people who (evidently) showed you the light, Lem. As for myself, I wouldn't let that minor disagreement come between myself & others who really are on your side, who are truly seeking justice and will point out those who seek to deceive or detract. Unlike some (Like the 911b censors) who have your back and see a nice place for the knife.