"9/11 Truth is Racist and Ethno-centric"

casseia's picture

As many of you may know, Portland's indymedia site is distinguished among the indymedia sites for having a thriving 9/11 truth page -- whereas indymedias like NYC's censor all 9/11 truth articles. However, Truthers have noted that the page tends to favor things that make 9/11 truth look bad and/or crazy, and thoughtful material or critiques of the movement tend not to show up (it's that pesky server!)

Because of the way 9/11 truth tends to be presented there, it is not at all uncommon to see comments like this from indymedia's leftie readers:

911 truth is racist and ethno centric
13.Jul.2007 22:36
sick of 911 truth

Looking at 911 in the larger scope of global atrocities it's nothing. You hold up these 300 Americans like it was the fucking holocaust. Looking at U.S. CIA involvement in Latin America, South East Asia, and Africa, 911 was a cake walk. Whether or not 911 was an inside job doesn't matter. Government commit atrocities everyday. 27 million children died last year from malnutrition in Africa alone. Millions more are dying from Air pollution in Indo-China. Poverty is an inside job, War is an inside job, Pollution is an inside job. Why is it when it's millions of 'foreigners' no one cares?

Take a look at there very own propaganda. Prisonplanet.com and Alex Jones are constantly playing into the anti-immigrant hystaria. 911 truth promotes a nationalistic xenophobic agenda. Take look for yourself.

This looks like something off of a neo-nazi website, but no it's 911 truths very own conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. Nationalist, White supremacist extraordinaire.

Mayday

ethnic cleansing

Here is where an effective, articulate local 9/11 truth community could really make a difference in reaching out to people who, although obviously somewhat blinded by the glare that issues from their Great Lord Chomsky, share the fundamental goal of 9/11 truth, which is to oppose empire. You'd think, right?

Well, unfortunately, the local group has been completely taken over by right-wingers, to the point where some of us dissidents have started wondering if an organized effort at disruption might be to blame. How else to explain the group's unquestioning support for its frontman, author of the following screeds:

The Cunt Letters
Lesbians are bad

Now, it's just a sad fact that this guy is mentally ill. What is beyond bizarre, though, is the complete lack of response from some of the more "together" members of the group, who have continued to enable him while he has run off every competent member who doesn't like being verbally abused -- including 4 of the 5 people responsible for our very successful David Ray Griffin event in May. If you read the links (and I say give 'em a whirl just for the entertainment value) you'll note that "PC Nazis" -- those of us who are avowedly leftist -- are the "chosen ones" in terms of bearing the brunt of the unhinged accusations.

I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that Portland 9/11 Truth is a very sick puppy. I bring this to the attention of a larger audience because I think it's an extreme case of what we all have perceived as a potential threat: the conflation of 9/11 Truth with right wing nuttery. A local observer points to the VERY problematic side of the Alex Jones agenda, and the local truthers, who should be there to counter this person's impressions, are dominated by crazies who are even worse than Alex Jones. This is not good.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
larry horse's picture

we moonbats aren't racist

but reprehensor is still giving bin laden props. check out his latest entry. thanks to chris for getting a sensible comment through the filters.
http://911blogger.com/node/9967
oh yeah, and jon "fool's" gold is posting away after quitting for the 8th time.

casseia's picture

Yes -- what is UP with that?!

You would think he might have learned not to make grand and glorious exit speeches anymore -- just in case he changes his mind for the zillionth time. [shakes head in disbelief]

gretavo's picture

thank you Cass

This is a very timely and important alert. I would even call it an action alert because it shows that we have to identify these issues and counter them if we are to preserve the integrity of our movement. One bright side to this is that online junk is just that, and when we take our message directly to the men and wymyn (yeah that's right, we're down with the PC left!) in the streets we are able to prove that we are not at all led by Alex Jones, that we are NOT right wing nutters, that we do NOT have a tendency to hole ourselves up in our ranches with our guns. Some poeple who are, or do, may well agree with many of our positions on 9/11, and that is where any similarity ends.

I will find this Portland Indymedia and I will lay down the truth smack on them. Unity shmunity, I intend to expose the right-wing conflation agents for what they are! We have not yet begun to fight!

gretavo's picture

done!

come on guys, represent!!

casseia's picture

Not just "done" -- gretavo rawwwks it!

This is a beautiful post, and the kind of post that should make the PTB of 911B hang their heads in shame for banning him:

Stop Misrepresenting 9/11 Truth 14.Jul.2007 14:07
Real Truther link

It was a sad day for me when I had the opportunity to ask Noam Chomsky face to face why he was so outspoken against the cause of exposing the truth about 9/11. He was in Harvard Square on his way to a talk at the Unitarian church and agreed to chat with me while he walked (incidentally this is the Unitarian church that now features as a semi-permanent fixture a borderline insane ultra-Zionist who accuses the church, in large part for its repeated hosting of Chomsky, as being a nest of JOO-HATERZ!!)

We've all heard the arguments--we are hurting real and worthwhile progressive causes, primarily the anti-empire agenda, by fixating on something that, according to the Great One, is highly improbable--Bush's complicity in the 9/11 attacks (he separates LIHOP and MIHOP into the weak and the strong theses, the former being highly unlikely the latter being practically impossible.) Speaking of highly improbable things, I asked Noam what he thought of WTC7, the 47 story skyscraper that also collapsed that day, never having been hit by airplane and suffering minimal damage from fire and falling debris. "You can't just go by what you read on the Internet"he told me. "I would have to study civil (sic) engineering for two years to even begin to understand how that building collapsed. As far as I can tell there is only one physicist in the entire US who believes in this theory (of controlled demolition.)"

Leaving aside the fact that this was quite some time ago and had he chosen to Noam COULD have studied the required issues to make the determination for himself, Noam has since made it clear that even if true, our claims about the true provenance of the attacks of 9/11 are irrelevant. The empire marches on and this would have been but one of their least significant crimes.

Now, my jaw drops when I hear an otherwise brilliant man purporting to believe such nonsense, and slightly less so when his followers parrot the view. Irrelevant? Really? Let's pause here and make clear that while there are millions who take issue with the official (and highly improbable) conspiracy theory advanced by the neocons and their allies in the mainstream media, there is not quite as much consensus on what a thorough investigation of the events of 9/11 would reveal in terms of actual agency and ultimate responsibility for the crime, that in my mind MUST include not just the demolition of the WTC complex on top of living people but also the manipulation of public opinion against arab muslims used to galvanize public opinion in support of the criminal wars of conquest launched thereafter. Additionally there is the problem of the anti-muslim hysteria rivalling the historic attribution of a global conspiracy to the world's Jews. The 9/11 Commission Report in ascribing a global conspiracy of murderous violence to arab muslims is on par with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a gross distortion of reality designed to turn one group of peole against another and dehumanize them so as to pave the way for atrocities to be perpetrated unopposed. Anyone who has found themselves feeling after recognizing the extent of Jewish suffering during WW2 that "never again" must we allow anything similar to happen and who does not find the blood libel of 9/11 and the murderous wars it enabled to be "relevant" to a program of progressivism should pause and seriously reflect on the values they claim to espouse.

Back to the issue of the different views spread out among skeptics of the official conspiracy--it must be noted by anyone interested in responsible discourse that all movements with the potential of disrupting the status quo have been and always will be infiltrated by the very powers that are threatened in order to subvert them and pre-empt their effectiveness.

We who came to bellieve in the moral imperative of demanding the truth behind 9/11 from the ranks of the progressive antiwar caucus of citizens have been dismayed by both the antiwar establishment's lack of critical thinking on the subject as well as the emergence of strong "pro-truth" voices among some questionable segments of the fringe political media such as the overrated and overexposed Alex Jones. By conflating the very real issue of 9/11 truth with the much less convincing arguments about an Illuminati controlled campaign for a "New World Order" Jones manages to convert many otherwise thoughful (if impressionable) people to a point of view that in turn manages to discourage a much greater number of thoughtful people from looking into the issues for fear of taint by association with this peculiar group that seems to lean a little too far to the loony right for comfort.

While the focus on 9/11 is its hallmark, this element also unfortunately conflates with its unsavory style issues that might well bridge the growing divide between the imaginary red and blue factions of the corporate controlled two party system. Opposition to excessive spending justified primarily by a war that is in no citizen's interest, for example, could form the basis of an unstoppable conservative/progressive alliance. Liberalization of monetary policy from the grip of huge private banking interests is yet another cause that would find wide nonpartisan support if presented in a less confrontational and sensational manner than currently being done by the likes of Alex Jones.

Those who insist on drawing a box around the issue of 9/11 truth that defines it as somehow a partisan issue, an irrelevant issue, or even an ill-intentioned issue (as those who reject a priori the idea, despite strong indications, that both American neoconservatives AND right-wing elements of the Israeli military and secret services may have been involved would charge) are, deliberately or not, assissting the very project of global empire by wealthy elites that they otherwise profess to oppose so strongly.

Don't be deceive by these efforts, some of which are without a doubt deliberate, to divide the people and subvert their quest for liberation from tyranny for all, a cause which will never succeed so long as the true perpetrators of 9/11 remain unknown, and innocents continue to die as a result of the malicious and cynical accusations made against their co-religionists.

One world, one humanity, one love. Period.

Annoymouse's picture

from the mac store at the mall

i thank you Casseia! i'm fortunate to count you among my friends and comrades in struggle!

Annoymouse's picture

wow

you should be making speeches!

Annoymouse's picture

Same old, same old....

.....tell the Liberals through alternative media that the 9/11 Truth Movement is "racist"; tell Conservatives (through Faux News and Bush-lickspittle supplicant talk radio) that it's "liberal". It probably works on more than a few, and pushes the perps' desired buttons on those don't get any other exposure to this information.

IMO, I'd be very surprised if we're not pretty much like America, approximately 40% Liberal, 40% (principled) Conservative and 20% Moderate.

That said, I do agree that AJ is approaching the whole immigration issue in the wrong way...from the supply side, instead of focusing on US corporate demand for slave labor....his take, just seems to, IMO, inadvertently mimic the divide and conquer tactic of "blame the powerless victim", foster resentment, and distract the general citizenry from blaming the real perpetrators for the problem, the financial elites that draw the "illegals" here by hiring them with no penalty. I am similarly distressed by his recent emphasis on broadcasting his stance on abortion...he's certainly entitled to his belief and I don't begrudge him that for a minute, but again, IMO, it only serves to distract and divide....and turn-off many people otherwise open to 9/11 Truth and investigating the NWO.

Big_D's picture

sick of 911 truth = scared of 911 truth

Wow, these provocateurs are getting easier to spot everyday.

"You hold up these 300 Americans like it was the fucking holocaust."

Does this sound like an American, or for that matter, an empathetic human being? (Unless, of course, it's THEIR people who've suffered.) Not to mention they seem awfully informed about AJ. Think I'm crazy? What does this topic pertain to? Read that tripe a few more times, then read this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1952099,00.html

bruce1337's picture

To illustrate the idiocy of the "scope of atrocity" argument:

Who cares who actually killed JFK? Every day, there are hundreds of homicides all around the globe -- what difference is one more or less?

>:|
_________________________________
happiness is either here or nowhere

inside's picture

who cares if it was 500,000

who cares if it was 500,000 or 6 million or what i heard the other day 10 million??

to me that is unfuckingreal..

bruce1337's picture

Not sure what you're saying here

please clarify.
_________________________________
happiness is either here or nowhere