Show your resistance!
Alright, so a few days ago, my bro suggested having a symbol of 9/11 Truth awareness to wear visibly. Instantly, it reminded me of stories I heard of the norwegian resistance in WW2, who wore paperclips to overcome isolation and facilitate cooperation (the wearing of paperclips was eventually banned, btw.). The question remained: What kind of symbol would be appropriate? It had to be common, handy and cheap, that much was clear...
Now, someone on heise.de, a german computer magazine -- where displeasure with the rapid dismantlement of our constitution has been boiling for a while -- has had a truly excellent idea: Wear a resistor!
I <3 this! What say you?
Nice idea!
but they're tiny!
and look suspicious... :)
Peope here would think I was
People here would think I was some sort of freaky geek if I wore that :)
How about two holsters
with two fully loaded Czech automatic pistols engraved with something catchy like "They stole my country and I'm taking it back!"
hmmm--you'd have to specify who they is
but also i would discourage people from taking up arms--just freaks out would be supporters. nothing you have is going to protect you from a determined swat team anyway...
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking:
What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
-- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
-- Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
~~ Thomas Jefferson
Is there really any question as to who "they" is? Only if you are ignorant of history.
It's hard for me to consider someone who fails to understand the primary reason why I exercise my UNALIENABLE Right to keep and bear arms a "would be supporter."
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
you misunderstand
i support the right to bear arms. i just like to think of it as what the framers intended--a last resort. at this point the pen is still pretty mighty, as is the pamphlet, the bumper sticker, and the poster in the street.i think that those who jump the gun (so to speak) and immediately react to trouble by arming themselves and preparing for a siege are not acting in the best inetrest of tehir country. there is plenty of room for more activism on the streets and it would make a huge difference right now. i prefer taking my chances in that way right now than waiting to go out in a blaze of glory after seeing very little by way of peaceful resistance even being attempted. that's the problem I have with Alex Jones, aside from what I believe to be are his bad intentions--he encourages that siege mentality that turns people off. while we level headed folks are working our butts off to inform and reassure people AJ is turning them into paranoid trigger happy basket cases. not everyone who listens to him, mind you, but certainly more than a few. this does not help our cause all that much I'm afraid.
The Right to keep and bear arms in of itself...
...wasn't the last resort as intended by the framers. Rather, it was the idea of well-armed and well-regulated (trained) populus that would not hesitate employing the use of those arms in defense of their liberty that was to create sufficient fear by government that it would not become a necessity. What you like to think about the intent of the framers regarding the Right to keep and bear arms and what they made quite evident in their writings do not align very well.
The pen may very well be mightier than the sword in the long run but, that doesn't mean that one shouldn't well trained in the use of both. I don't see it any more honorable to go out in a inky blaze of glory than it would be by going out showering your assailants with an effective gory blaze of hot lead and steel? The capability of doing both is most honorable. There is a time and place for each.
Forgetting government goons for a moment, if an armed intruder broke into your home with the clear intent to do you harm, would rather beg for mercy, threateningly wave a Bic Clic in his face, or pull back the hammer of a Glock?
I think that Alex Jones promotes a seige mentality because in reality we are a nation under seige. To believe otherwise is folly. The seige against us though, is conducted primarily against individuals. Occasionally, the attack is against groups (Seattle, WTO) and has often been their response to a situation they provoked in the first place.
For the most part, those who may be turned off by Alex's warnings are either oblivious sheep, in a deep state of denial, or cower in total fear. It is that fear that "they" capitalize upon. If Alex were creating a bunch of trigger happy basket cases as you say, where is all the news that is hurting our cause of these inspired crazies instigating attacks with their insane ideas and bad guns against the always just and righteous "authorities"?
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"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)
Don't be absurd...
C'mon... if some armed intruder broke into my house I wouldn't waste time brandishing a Bic Clic -- I'd be beating him about the head and neck with my laptop. Duh!
dude... from your own post
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
~~ Thomas Jefferson
this was me... -gretavo
who will you be showering?
your fellow deluded citizens that's who. not the leader of the NWO, not the bastards who will be getting rich after you're all dead. your fellow human being who didn't know any better because maybe--just maybe--you didn't do enough to teach him the truth before opening fire.
I pray and work for peace, but I ain’t goin’ camping either
The question was what we should wear to show our resistance. The answer was a resistor. I jokingly went to the extreme, as is my habit, and proposed, as the symbol of a political resistance, the wearing of firearms. I didn’t mean to freak you out, RT. It was a little joke (kinda) – the kind of sarcasm one employs out of sheer political frustration at grave injustices. I agree wholeheartedly with you that guerilla warfare and the formation of a military wing of the 9/11 Truth movement is not an option we want to seriously consider at this moment. We are still in the phase of what Che Guevara called “peacefully educating the peasants,†a phase of peaceful teach-ins, flyers, writing, research, handing out DVDs, banners, bumper stickers, etc. The Cuban revolution was not officially launched until the guerillas had brought the peasantry up to speed on what Gen. Batista’s military dictatorship was all about. Those revolutionaries were successful because they had achieved an educated critical mass among the Cuban people, and thus had their support.
We do not yet have that kind of support, and scale-wise, a little island country like Cuba was a lot easier to handle, and that revolution also happened at a time when technology, as we know it, was very primitive. I have always respected Dr. King and Gandhi, but I also grew up with the teachings of Malcolm X who believed in righteous self-defense against an oppressor. Growing up. we were always taught that it was honorable and patriotic to want to defend and protect your country, and if necessary to even die for it so that others might live in freedom. Little did we know that someday our country would be occupied and stolen from within by sub-human, psychopathic creatures who would construct concentration camps in our country to shut up those who objected to a culture and economy of unending war, slavery and brutality. Little did we know that some day the Senate would debate whether or not to REINSTITUTE habeas corpus rights, or that every election would be a complete joke, fixed and controlled by computers. Little did we know that our media and government would be completely controlled and co-opted by people from a little country called Israel, and that they would, through deception and guilt, use our tax dollars and be completely willing to sacrifice the lives of OUR sons and brothers to fight their filthy genocidal wars of Middle Eastern conquest, all so that they could maintain the illegitimate real estate theft that they conned out of the British in 1919 at the Paris Peace Conference in Versailles.
I pray for a peaceful solution to all this through our mass educational efforts, and I applaud and completely support your peaceful consciousness, but after hearing the threats of Rick Santorum the other day that the Big Terror (accompanied by martial law and the rounding up of dissidents) is coming within the next year, i.e. before Bush is inconveniently forced out of office, I would just say to you that, in the back of your mind, you might want to consider the horrible fact that in the not so distant future, we might actually have to fight by force of arms to take our country back from the corporate military whores that are trying to sell us into slavery. Our founding fathers were thinkers, fighters, and brave revolutionaries. That is our heritage. We were the first to throw off the yokes of monarchy, and we, unfortunately, might have to do it once more, as the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and all the good things that Americans have are there because the people fought for them against a government that always flirted with corporate despotism.
Peace and respect to you, Gretavo, and all my good friends here. I’m off to work on my research and street education project. Later bro.
Exactly.
"What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
-- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
Exactly, I'm all about educating the sleep walkers too the point we can have a peaceful transition of power back into our hands & out of the psycho's. Although I do want the thugs to know; before you head out to start rounding up citizens for the camps, kiss your family & say goodbye, you may not be seeing them again.
I would prefer that those at the top....
....of the pyramid fear for their safety in the advent of resistance, rather than the thugs of the state sent to oppress their fellow citizens....otherwise it's just the horrible killing of expendable pawns....and the elites just yawn from their hideaways.....and raise the going salary for Blackwater recruits...
it's there, don't worry
i just don't want to help make it happen by fixating on the possibility.
DBS/Hufschmid/Bollyn
Any impressions of DBS/Huffy's cry of foul play re Bollyn's fate? They're now saying they suspect Bollyn & family were rubbed out.
http://iamthewitness.com/Linda-Shelton-and-Bollyn.html
http://iamthewitness.com/July-2007-note-from-Hufschmid.html
audio inside:
http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_8July2007.html
[approved by gretavo]
My guess is more drama to scare/distract peopl
The Bollyn saga has seemed a bit too... I dunno. I know some people think he's legit and I can respect that view but I don't know that I share it. DBS and Hufschmid just don't have much credibility left in my view...
Paranoia City
Dr. Jones is good friends with Bollyn and has a lot of respect for him. Among the hardcore 9/11 researchers, those who shy away from the Israel/Mossad connections to the attacks are often looked upon with slight suspicion, and with good reason. Bollyn stuck his neck out very early on this issue, has suffered for it and been sacrificed, and no one in the 9/11 "Truth" Movement seems to want to stand up for him out of fear of being branded an anti-Semite. So if Bollyn is considered a dis-info agent and is respected by Steven Jones, does that mean that Dr. Jones is a dis-info agent as well? Is he trying to distract us from the FTS remote-controlled airplanes and make us concentrate on the controlled demolition and thermate cutter charges in the buildings? Bollyn's research is also used by Dr. Griffin. Is Griffin then also a part of the dis-info crowd too?
Hey folks, this is exactly what the intelligence agencies are aiming for. This little game of creating unlimited suspicion of absolutely everyone is a giant paranoia game being employed to create global distrust and division among 9/11 activists so that we will eventually come to distrust everyone, and will eventually be so consumed with paranoia that we will only trust ourselves, and then we will no longer work in activist groups. Out of intense, cultivated paranoia, we will only act by ourselves, and that will make us much less effective and easier to round up. Those shiny new FEMA camps are open and ready for business, remember that.
I am not saying we should be naiively trusting like little flower children, but unlimited paranoia will also eat this movement alive. The only reason I trust Gretavo though is that he is so fucking paranoid, but that is also the price of possessing a high degree of intelligence.
stuck his neck out early on
was hoping you would comment on this Bollyn issue. to trust or not to trust. At this point I tend to agree with you, especially if you try to compile a list of zionist handlers ...
why are so many so psychopathological? defensive paranoia?
also, Lazlo, what do you think of
Michael Berger? Do you really believe he is zionist disinfo dude? as does Bollyn? I spoke to him once - nice guy, said he was worried our nation was going the fascist route, as had nazi germany where many of his family perished, thus his motivation. am i naive to believe him? I guess 911truth.org is not about pointing fingers at perpetrators, but more about the unanswered questions.
the "anti-fascist" faction
of the truth movement is the one that likes to compare Bush to Hitler. My guess is that this keeps people thinking of Hitler as the ultimate evil. While Hitler was not a nice guy, I have come to reject the mainstream narrative of WW2. Berger would seem to be much like Jon Gold, the holocaust-protecting 9/11 "truther". These are the folks who are determined to keep the movement from pursuing the obvious leads to Israel indicated by American Neocon and Zionists' involvement in the attacks.
Their worst fear is not having 9/11 exposed (because they think they can pin it on Bush), it is the inevitable revision of he history of the last 100 years and Zionism's role in it. I urge everyone to ignore the "holocaust denier" insults and learn the facts. The Final Solution was not about extermination it was about deportation. Hence the trains. hence the many survivors of this alleged ultra-efficient plan to "kill all the Jews".
Zionists like former Israeli PM Yitzakh Shamir openly supported Hitler and saw his Final Solution as right up their alley--send all the Jews to Palestine, thus "solving the problem" for Germany AND themselves. WW2 was simply a continuation of Zionists' plans for Palestine. After getting the US to support Britain against Germany (and their Turkish allies) so that Britain would promise them Palestine (which was Turkey's) after their victory, they succeeded to some extent with the Balfour declaration and Jewish settlement began. Not content with the idea of sharing the land with a Palestinian state, they ensured that after the re-emergence of hostilities they would position themselves to obtain the kind of leverage they would need by falsifying a series of atrocity narratives including the gas chambers and tales of Jews made into soap.
If you read the anti-German propaganda from the time of WWI (ONE) and after, you will find the soap story, you will find stories of 6 million Jews at risk of a holocaust from disease and starvation, you will find, in other words, the seeds of the next war's atrocity propaganda. To those who still feel a twinge of nastiness even thinking about these things, understand that all of us who have bitten the bullet and dived in have found our fears to be unfounded. I have yet to read a hateful screed written by revisionists--all of them acknowledge the tragedy that befell Jewish people (and others) at the hands of the elites' puppets in Germany and elsewhere. 9/11 is a key to so much history that has been hidden for much too long, and THAT is what keeps it from coming out faster--because the stakes are much higher than simply the culpability for the events of 9/11/01. It is the entire meaning of the last century of world conflict that is at stake, and trust me--9/11 is just scratching the surface.
But you don't have to jump straight to the end if you don't want to. Check out the real story behind the USS Liberty at www.ussliberty.org Ask yourself what the hell LBJ was thinking in letting it go as an "accident". Who was he protecting? Who was he afraid of? Ask yourself then how LBJ came to power--through the assassination of JFK. Is there a link? You bet there is. Check out Michael Collins Piper's book Final Judgement, which convincingly argues that the CIA's Israeli mole James Jesus Angleton and the Meyer Lansky led Zionist mob had their fingers all over the various triggers that day. Jack Ruby? Try Jack Rubenstein, a thug who ran guns illegally to Israel before offing the patsy who would take the fall for that killing. Go back farther, to Kennedy's own claim that Truman took a bribe of 2 million bucks to recognize Israel.
It's the ugly truth, folks, don't let anyone scare you into not looking. Do you know how glad I am that I finally looked? And yes, it took me years to get over the reluctance to feel myself somehow associated with haters. I realize now who the real haters are and I tell you with 100% assurance that the real evil in this world is worse than the Nazis, and has been far more successful. NOT Jews, but the elites behind both the Zionist project and the real fascism of monetary power in the hands of the few.
this was me too -gretavo (I mean authorship, not just approval)
thanks, gretavo
have been digesting this over the past few months. i'm pretty much there.
i'm going to provide a list of the books that i've been reading
and that i can vouch for not being written by bigots... I just got Falsehood in Wartime by Arthur Ponsonby, a member of Parliament, that discusses the propaganda during WWI and all the false atrocity stories attributed to the Germans in THAT war.... The book was written in 1928....
please upload to website
Hi RT,
What you wrote above deserves to be on its own web page.
Hmm, I didn't know there was an "anti-fascist" faction
I thought all of us who are fighting for justice, truth, and a return of our country to legitimacy and democracy were anti-fascist. If there is an anti-fascist faction, then what are the other factions of the truth movement? Isn't this "anti-fascist faction" term kind of a divisive statement?
"...of the truth movement is the one that likes to compare Bush to Hitler. My guess is that this keeps people thinking of Hitler as the ultimate evil. While Hitler was not a nice guy, I have come to reject the mainstream narrative of WW2."
I agree with you that Hitler was not The Ultimate Evil Of All Times and that we should reject the exceptionalism that is rammed down our throats, but can you really honestly portray him as just "not a nice guy"? Isn't there something in between "Ultimate Evil of All Times" and "not a nice guy" that would be more of a reasonable description? When I think of someone who is "not a nice guy", I think of some jerk who likes to cut in lines against his turn, maybe kicks cats who crosses his path, perhaps likes to start viscious rumors about people, and is a bit of a bully to get his way. Maybe your average politician or corporate executive who engages in false ad-hominem attacks against their opponents and is willing to step on people to get ahead would qualify as "not a nice guy" according to most people's sense of the term.
But, can someone who seizes power in a democratic system to then destroy it, uses mass brainwashing and terror to whip a population into a frenzy of hatred and war frenzy to then slaughter millions upon millions of people, mostly communists, or civilians of communist countries (even if it didn't include millions of jews) and rounds up and tortures and assassinates their political oponents, and uses countless human guinea pigs for conducting excruciatingly painful tests for everything from new methods of torture to drugs to biological and chemical warfare, etc., be just dismissed as just "not a nice guy"? Or, do you reject this entire part of the "mainstream narrative"?
Is the CIA just a bunch of "not nice guys", for that matter? Or, maybe the fact that Zionists control the CIA and not just the petty Nazis that started the CIA makes them really evil? What's the difference? I thought it was all the same. They're all a bunch of evil psychopaths. Whether they call themselves Nazis or Stalinists or Zionists or Maoists or whatever-ists, what does it matter, they're all about the same thing. As JFK remarked after he finally realized the kinds of people that were running the country were a totally different breed than himself, "These people have a collective death wish for humanity". He fiinally came face to face with the reality that there is a sub-species of humans that are very different than most of us with consciences. There are approximately 4% of humanity - psychopaths - that are effectively predators to the rest of humanity and will destroy us and all we hold dear unless we figure out a way to neutralize them or at least get them out of power.
"I realize now who the real haters are and I tell you with 100% assurance that the real evil in this world is worse than the Nazis, and has been far more successful. NOT Jews, but the elites behind both the Zionist project and the real fascism of monetary power in the hands of the few."
Hmm. Ok, is it Real Fascism vs Fake Fascism that you are distinguishing? I guess I'm a little confused. Is it about success vs unfullfilled dreams? Is it about body-count? Is one group of psychopaths, who didn't happen to get control of the banking matrix before the other group of psychopaths did, considered less evil regardless of the fact that their goals and purpose of existance is basically the same - ultimate power over and enslavement and torment of the masses?
By the way, I thought that 95% of your post was one of the most eloquant synopses of recent history I've ever heard. Maybe that should go into the wiki.
honestly i'm not sure what to think
was Hitler worse than someone who would be OK with demolishing buildings on top of rescuers and then blaming it on a specific group of people so as to facilitate butchering them? that's a tough one, especially since having learned what I
've learned about the lies we're taught about ww2 and everything else I'm going to have to study everything all over again to know just how evil Hitler was. What evidence is tehre, for example, of the experiments on humans that you're talking about? I've heard the allegations of course but never thought to check out how strong the evidence is. I certainly no longer believe that it was ever Hitler's intentions to "exterminate" all Jews. Remove them all from Europe? Sure. He was a fascist and when I said "not a nice guy" that was not meant to sugar coat any of his actions.
As a pacifist and a person of conscience I am sickened more by the evil committed daily in my own time than with an evildoer of history, especially when the people commiting the evil today depend on casting Hitler as the only villain in the history of europe. Truman dropping the bombs on Hiroshima--evil? Yet the "anti-fascists" don't compare Bush to Truman, just Hitler. It's Hitler 24/7 for that crowd, and I suspect I know why.
That is not to say Hitler wasn't very bad. But there may well be worse people in the world, either then, now, or in the future. Waiting for someone to replicate a bunch of exaggrated atrocity stories before dropping Hitler as the bellweather of evil is a mistake.
If there was no devil
it would be necessary to invent one
--Voltaire (ok, not really)
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Hi Kate
Great to see you here at RT's 9/11 Blogger dissident camp. To tell you the truth, I know absolutely nothing about Michael Berger, so I can't make a comment on him. I will tell you one thing though. I just finished reading DRG's Debunking 9/11 Debunking, and it is a tour de force against all the crappo arguments supporting the OCT. The debunkers all work from a limited playlist, and once you are familiar with that playlist and the amazingly scholarly and logical arguments that Dr. Griffin brings against it, you can basically debate and defeat all comers. These debunkers and government collaborators, in the aftermath of this book, have absolutely nothing to stand on. Unfortunately, I have found very few people in the 9/11 Truth movement who have read this book. I highly recommend it to everyone. Study it like you would a textbook that you will be having a final exam on. I am actually going to go through it again with a yellow highliter,taking notes, constructing charts, and mapping out all the arguments. If you are talking to people on the streets or people in the media, you need to master this information.
I know I said this just a few minutes ago, but I really gotta get back to my reasearch project. Time's a wastin'
Warm regards to you and all here.
on my list
have read his Pearl Harbor and Christian Faith. we're blessed. go back to work!
one caveat
Griffin corrected the info he put in d9/11d about American Airlines 757s not having airfones, so don't use that argument!
Thanks Gretavo
Yes, I am aware of that little tidbit. He is a scholar. He admits when he's wrong or doesn't know. As you might have guessed, I am very detail oriented, as I can see that you are as well.
This situation that we investigate (9/11 being only the latest big element) is a million piece, multi-level puzzle/chess game. I always thought it was funny over at Apartment 911B when people would incredulously inquire as to the relevance of WWI to 9/11. Early 20th century history was somehow off-topic. We must have compassion though for the newly initiated. This whole puzzle can be very baffling, and can be quite complicated to understand, complicated by design, of course. Most people would rather just go back to their easy chairs and watch "I Love Ramadan," I mean "Raymond."
correction
Griffin was right about the airfones not being on AA 757s at the time.
fair enough
But many of us don't worry as much about WHO is disinfo as we do about what the disinfo is. In the end we should treat all information as independent of its source. Now, should we be sticking up for Bollyn? I find that difficult given that he is now a fugitive. Again, we do not owe anyone anything--we are owed the truth. Should Bollyn be treated fairly and not beaten up? Of course. Can any of us say with certainty that Bollyn did not in fact provoke the police, or let himself be provoked by people harassing him? Who knows. Too much drama, sorry. I have no problem working with anyone, so long as no one tries to tell me to not speak my mind out of some imagined need for unity. I refuse to be "united" with Jon Gold. That fact will not bring down the truth movement, sorry. There are plenty of people who I trust enough to allow to post on this forum despite our disagreements--is that paranoia? No, it's common sense--I am not infallible. But I do have my limits, as with Killtown, Jon Gold, Fetzer, and so on. Is my refusal to express unity with them hurting the cause of truth? Hardly, since anyone I know would probably agree with my assessment of their integrity, regardless of the opinions I hear online on the subject. I have a very active offline truthing life and see no issues arising from any perception that the "truthers" are splintered...
[ok'd by c -- did someone not log in?]
yep that would be me!
-Gretavo
hope he got away
i hope he got away and is hiding rather than getting rubbed out. i know some people think he is part of a disinfo campaign but i was never convinced that he was. the facts on mr Bollyn has been fudged so much I dont know where to get good info and which one to trust.
In any case if you read this account of his trial it appears he was framed up.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=105561
Just a little heads up
over here, Schäuble, the secretary of the interior (?) has recently proposed a wide variety of unconstitutional security measures ranging from massive online surveillance to internment or even targeted killing of terr'ism suspects -- basically an effort to get this country on par with yours when it comes to totalitarian dictatorship. Not surprisingly, the body politic, albeit hesitantly, backs him up. The redeeming aspect is: dissent and discontent is growing quite noticeably, and so is fertile ground for Truth. Thought you might like to know.
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Speaking of German constitutional law...
I'm curious about how the holocaust denial law was passed. Is it a blatent violation of a constitutional protection of free speach, or is there not a clear free speech provision in the German constitution? If there is constitutional protection for freedom of speech, under what excuse did they get around it? Are there moves to over-turn the holocaust denial law?
I don't know exactly how it came to pass
I know it happened quite a while after the fact (well, alleged fact), in 1960, to be precise. I suppose it was born just the way legislation that is unconstitutional is always born -- in corridors not accessible to the public. The german constitution -- a transitional, provisional arrangement by original design, btw. -- does establish free speech, but this law overrides it just like amendmends override the US constitution.
There are some efforts to overturn it, but they're being efficiently discredited as "antisemitic". I can tell you: people's sensitivities in this regard are much stronger and more deeply engrained here than over in the US -- they have been heavily conditioned all their lives to literally snap at the stimulus. Pavlov must roll in his grave.
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mental slavery
i've emancipated myself and it wasn't easy. isn't it also against the law in france and britain?
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its also against the law here in Switzerland, France, Austria, Belgium , Italy, and quite a few more. Not in Britain though, AFAIK. At least Wikipedia sais so.
Austria has the highest possible prison sentence , with 20 years. How it came to pass, i dont know.
How is it applied to the internet?
Under what situations can people be prosecuted based on what they write on the internet?
Here you are!
I like the idea with the resitors. So subtile.
Aloha!
Settle down, you've stepped into the virtual realm of rigorous truthseeking unbound by anything (except maybe our limited intellect ;)
You'll like it here!
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I do not like any realms
as you may know.
;-)
No that's 911blogger is dead, long live 911blogging!
911blogger isn't dead...
it's just showing its true, dark colors. understanding that it is now a source of official propaganda aimed at limited hangout is crucial to the survival of the real truth movement. it's also a good idea to be very leery of those who do not seem to have any problem with the goings on there and continue to cite it as a credible source, like Kevin Barrett, who many of us have puzzled over since he decided to continue a relationship with Uncle Fetzer the shill...
I do not like your fragmentation of "our" movement
but I didn't like the developement on 911blogger either. On the other side, we can take it a given that some kinda Cointelpro is in the works. Other than Barry Zwicker I havn't read some good tips how to handle this BS. But I do not see a plus in engage and wasting time with endless search of the enemy within.
Why can't we proceed in exchanging news and thoughts without restraction, and without endless namecalling?
Sitting-Bull (Tatanka Yotanka- the unifier of all tribes)
there are no fragments
there is only truth and lies, and they are all part of one thing. more than anything else i despise dishonesty--it is an affront to the universe in my view--people--insignificant little pieces of shit in the greater scheme of things--letting their neuroses turn them into liars and cheaters. to allow lies or other types of deception to go unchallenged is against my nature, and I put little stock in the notion that speaking candidly about each other is ever a bad thing. You might feel differently, and I encourage you to talk about it, but also will respect if you'd rather practice what you preach and focus instead on...
well, what do you think our focus should be? this site is a much needed haven for those who believe that candor about difficult subjects such as Israel and Zionism's role in 9/11 is essential, but really pretty much any aspect of 9/11 is fair game if the writer is sincere. i tend to like things to be in soft focus anyway (give me rich and creamy anti-aliasing over a sharp image any day!)
The problem in general in society is not enough being said, not too much being said. I feel the same about the movement especially as we get closer to a new assault on truth in the form of a limited hangout revision of the OCT. And if it's not "our" movement--whose is it?
aloha?
and me without my Ken Lei!