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For all its problems with the insincere among its ranks, the real truth movement is the one peopled by the vast, honest majority who believe the events of 9/11 must be subjected to the closest scrutiny possible if we are to learn from this dark chapter in world history. This site is for every real "truther" out there.


"If telling the truth marginalizes you, then that is the place to be. After all, if enough people are willing to be marginalized, then before you know it, society has developed a different center. This is the politics of truth."

E. Martin Schotz

"I've had enough of someone else's propaganda... I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

Malcolm X

"I am a passionate seeker after Truth and a not less passionate enemy of the malignant fictions used by the "Party of Order", the official representatives of all turpitudes, religious, metaphysical, political, judicial, economic, and social, present and past, to brutalise and enslave the world; I am a fanatical lover of Liberty; considering it as the only medium in which can develop intelligence, dignity, and the happiness of man..."

Mikhail Bakunin

"Tell all the Truth but tell it slant-/Success in Circuit lies/Too bright for our infirm Delight/The Truth's superb surprise/As Lightning to the Children eased/With explanation kind/The Truth must dazzle gradually/Or every man be blind-"

Emily Dickinson

gretavo's picture

Day After Corporal Wave said "Educate yourself," Ret. Lieut. Col. Ralph Peters claims “Conspiracy theories are for Arabs"- Pt.

Stealing this from 911B. If conspiracy theories are for Arabs, could it be that it's because Zionists are such avid conspirators? Note also I didn't say "Jews are avid conspirators" because that would be as racist as saying that Arabs "screw things up" or are "prone to terrorism" or irrational jew-hatred...

Day After Corporal Wave said "Educate yourself," Ret. Lieut. Col. Ralph Peters claims “Conspiracy theories are for Arabs"- Pt. 1 -

Keenan's picture

Psychopaths Among Us

Understanding the enemy we are up against in this critical point in human history is crucial if we are to find a way out of this nightmare we are in. Even if we succeed in bringing justice and reconciliation and rounding up those sick fucks responsible for 9/11, how are we to stop this recurring nightmare of this pathocracy disease from re-infecting humanity only to continue the endless cycle of calamity that has been occuring throughout our species' entire history? I believe that until the masses become educated with the psychological knowledge of this phenomen of human sub-species - psychopaths - and how they easily "rise to the top" and proceed to condition normal people to accept their dominance, to accept their lies without question, they will continue to fall victim to it.

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Talking To Explosive Demolition Experts....Suggestions?

Ok, so I've sent a few e-mails to some demolition companies asking for interviews via e-mail or the telephone. No response yet so I'm planning on cold-calling starting tomorrow. I've gathered a list of US and foreign companies that I found specialize in 'explosive demolition'.

Like most of us, my time is short and valuable...so I want to ask for suggestions on how to handle this and come out with some definitive expert opinions on the demolition of WTC 7.

What do you guys think would be the best way to approach experts in the field of explosive demolition about WTC 7? If you think certain questions would be valuable...please share.

My idea...

Provide the interviewee with the various videos of the demolition of WTC 7. I'll put this on my website www.boldwater.net as not to even bring the idea of 9/11 into the picture.

gretavo's picture

Open thread!

Alright folks, in honor of our dear departed dz, HAVE AT IT! Sky's the limit! No planes, laser beams, aliens, lizard people, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Bigfoot--it's ALL good!

Annoymouse's picture

Zionist, Zionist, Zionist....

I know I will probably catch some heat for this but I feel it must be said. I felt comfortable coming to this site because of the liberal attitude of the community and the subjects covered here. But in the last 48-72 hours, Im sensing a heavy lean towards the AnTi-Zionist, Isreali lobby movement here.

I probably am not as educated on this topic as many of you. This is why I dont have a solid conviction towards the "Zionist infiltration" syndrome.
I do recognise Zionism as a movement or cabal that is definately involved in events of 911 and other past crimes. Dont get me wrong. If Zionists or the isreali lobby is guilty of crimes, I think they should be exposed. But I sure many of you agree, 911 was not the sole brainchild of the zionist.
Theres evidence of complicity from all avenues.

kate of the kiosk's picture

what do you make of Tony Judt's last comment?


gretavo's picture

"Whatever AIPAC Wants, AIPAC Gets"

I wonder if the author's JFK book goes "there"! Somehow I doubt it, but the AIPAC info here is interesting (see, it was on counterpunch--blech!)

July 10, 2007
"Whatever AIPAC Wants, AIPAC Gets"
Democratic Defectors and the Israel Lobby


In November, the American electorate repudiated Bush's Iraq debacle and established Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate promising to bring this "flawed policy wrapped in illusion" to a decisive end. Bush vetoed their withdrawal timetable, but voters urged their leaders to hold the line and not be bullied. In the end, though, 37 Democratic senators capitulated and gratuitously gave the President his $100 billion no-strings- attached blank check . . . enough money to pay tuition and fees for 1.3 million college students for four solid years!

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Experimenting with rating for blog posts

Trying out this new system... 3 stars now instead of 10 or 5... Generally speaking--

3 stars= positive impression
2 stars= ambivalent
1 star= negative impression

The more people vote the better, and this simple rating system might make it easier to decide what vote to give...

Floor is open for critiques...

gretavo's picture

Cui Bono Revisited

Gosh, does Alex Jones REALLY think Israel was not behind the 9/11 attacks? Does he not see the parallels between the subject of his fearmongering and what Israel has been doing for years against the Palestinians and on OUR dime?

Israel is reaping economic as well as political rewards from its lock-down apartheid state. In the "gated community" market it has begun to sell systems and techniques that allow the nation to cope with terrorism. Israel, in 2006, exported $3.4 billion in defense products-well over a billion dollars more than it received in American military aid. Israel has grown into the fourth largest arms dealer in the world. Most of this growth has come in the so-called homeland security sector.

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Albanese gets 911 "researchers" website pulled for threats and defamation of 911 widow


Good riddance, I couldn't stand nico, or rick, freaking idiots. I wish the space beam would atomize them.

gretavo's picture

Alvin Hellerstein - Zionist Judge Assigned All 9/11 Victims' Court Cases Says: "We have to get past 9/11. Let it go."

Choosing 9/11 victim lawsuits for trial?
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor

Jun 29, 2007, 01:05

That headline, that question is why we’re here in Judge Hellerstein’s courtroom, this time 14D, half the size of the room for last week’s hearing. Of course, the usual suspects have been rounded up, lawyers for the airlines, the plaintiffs, a US attorney, fewer citizen onlookers, including myself, notebook open. Yet what I will hear will leave me as chagrined as June 14’s double-sized gathering reported in The 9/11 Victim’s Compensation Fund: cui bono?

gretavo's picture

How optimistic/pessimistic are you about the prospects for the truth movement at this point?

gretavo's picture

Adnan Khashoggi, GCN, the Protocols, Alex Jones, and the 9/11 Truth Movement

From "Information Overload" on word press... Read through to the end!

Sunday, July 8th, 2007...11:18 pm

Adnan Khashoggi is the individual who owns Genesis Communications Network, famous for hosting such heavyweight radio personalities as Alex Jones, self proclaimed “Grandfather of the 9/11 Truth Movement,” and Jeff Rense.

According to a 2004 article by Daniel Hopsicker from MadCow Morning News:

“Info on Khashoggi runs the gamut from the ridiculous to the sinister. To get the serious stuff out of the way first:

Khashoggi was among a number of prominent Arab businessmen, like Khalid Mahfouz, who agreed to continue what have been described by US intelligence officials as “protection payments” to bin Laden at a meeting in Paris in 1998, said London’s Sunday Business Post October 7, 2001.


juandelacruz's picture

just for laughs



PRIME Minister Gordon Brown has dismissed the latest London bomb scare as "feeble" and "unlikely to frighten the public".

Brown compared MI5 to the cast of 'Police Academy'
Mr Brown is understood to be disappointed with MI5's effort, describing it as "half-arsed and transparent".

A source close to Brown said: "The PM wanted to start things off by scaring the absolute, holy shit out of people.

"A badly driven Merc with a couple of gas bottles in the back does not cut the mustard.

"We asked for Arabic literature on the passenger seat, a map of Whitehall with big red crosses on it and a huge controlled explosion on live television. Someone will be getting their backside felt for this."

The source added: "We're trying to introduce ID cards, imprisonment without trial and swingeing restrictions on freedom of speech.

juandelacruz's picture

Sheehan vs Pelosi

Cindy Sheehan, the soldier's mother who galvanized the anti-war movement, said Sunday that she plans to seek House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's congressional seat unless she introduces articles of impeachment against President Bush in the next two weeks.


I hope she takes out Pelosi and get 911 investigated.

bruce1337's picture

Show your resistance!

Alright, so a few days ago, my bro suggested having a symbol of 9/11 Truth awareness to wear visibly. Instantly, it reminded me of stories I heard of the norwegian resistance in WW2, who wore paperclips to overcome isolation and facilitate cooperation (the wearing of paperclips was eventually banned, btw.). The question remained: What kind of symbol would be appropriate? It had to be common, handy and cheap, that much was clear...

Now, someone on heise.de, a german computer magazine -- where displeasure with the rapid dismantlement of our constitution has been boiling for a while -- has had a truly excellent idea: Wear a resistor!

I <3 this! What say you?

dicktater's picture

The Only All-Inclusive 911 Resolution - TCN911WIJ

I just saw this and don't have time to read it through just now. But, hopefully by posting it here, when I return there will be some interesting comments to read as well.

The Only All-Inclusive 911 Resolution - TCN911WIJ
By Ed Ward, MD
Thermate, C4-like explosives, Micro Nukes and 911 Was an Inside Job (TCN911WIJ).


The Only Proven Theory that Complies with All of the Scientific Method in One Theory. According to the Scientific Method, TCN911WIJ is the Primary Working Theory for the 911 Demoliton until Refuted by a Preponderance of Evidence.

kate of the kiosk's picture

Mike Gravel's on the page!

from his blog/forum:

Gravel Supports Independent 9/11 Inquiry
Submitted by alex on Sat, 2007-07-07 11:55.

Thanks to everybody committed to the 9/11 truth movement who have forwarded us films and literature concerning 9/11. We have taken considerable amount of time to look into this issue, there is a lot of evidence to sift through. After careful consideration and much study, Senator Gravel agrees that an independent inquiry is indeed needed to get to the bottom of what happened on September 11, 2001.

Gravel 08

casseia's picture

Qu'est-ce qu'elle a dit ?!

Here a French "peloton de vérité" (truth squad) gets Christine Boutin, minister in the new Sarkozy government, to admit that there might be something to the assertion that Bush was behind 9/11. Basically, she says that the websites that discuss the theories get so many hits that she has to ask herself if it is possible. ReOpen911.info have gotten some flak for cutting the video off where they did, evidently right before she says that she personally does not "believe" it.

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