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For all its problems with the insincere among its ranks, the real truth movement is the one peopled by the vast, honest majority who believe the events of 9/11 must be subjected to the closest scrutiny possible if we are to learn from this dark chapter in world history. This site is for every real "truther" out there.


"If telling the truth marginalizes you, then that is the place to be. After all, if enough people are willing to be marginalized, then before you know it, society has developed a different center. This is the politics of truth."

E. Martin Schotz

"I've had enough of someone else's propaganda... I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

Malcolm X

"I am a passionate seeker after Truth and a not less passionate enemy of the malignant fictions used by the "Party of Order", the official representatives of all turpitudes, religious, metaphysical, political, judicial, economic, and social, present and past, to brutalise and enslave the world; I am a fanatical lover of Liberty; considering it as the only medium in which can develop intelligence, dignity, and the happiness of man..."

Mikhail Bakunin

"Tell all the Truth but tell it slant-/Success in Circuit lies/Too bright for our infirm Delight/The Truth's superb surprise/As Lightning to the Children eased/With explanation kind/The Truth must dazzle gradually/Or every man be blind-"

Emily Dickinson

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The More the Story Changes, The More Alex Jones Stays the Same

Oh, turns out it was all just a mistake! Oh! Woops! I guess there was no dark cloud in this silver lining for Loose Change Final Coverup's publicity.

As usual with the morphing stories from AJ, we are left wondering--why was the story so convoluted in the first place? Why was the "stop-loss" explanation offered and now seemingly nixed? And what is up with the DWI cited on a truthaction forum post that was the alleged reason they found him back in 2005? And why am I so stupid as to bite like a retarded fish with a death wish each time AJ or the Loose Change boyz are involved in some tabloid style publicity crap that ends up amounting to diddly squat?


From the rubble pile of 911B:

Prison Planet has a new article based on a conversation with Korey Rowe stating:

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all legal options exhausted

This article reminds me of an old thread in 911 blogger when I was still of the opinion that every legal means must me pursued to bring the 911 perps to justice.

Conyers recent participation in having Cindy Sheehan arrested drives in the point that relying on representative democracy (in the US context), is an exercise in futility. The system has been so corrupted any game (elections, legal system, etc.) is stacked against truthers and the anti war activists.

Outside the box is the only way left



also on http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070724133946260

John Conyers Is No Martin Luther King

By Ray McGovern
July 24, 2007

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Holy Nutcases Batman

Can you say 'threat to humanity' ?

I caught this nut case Pasture Haygee on TV one day and about dropped a load in my trousers when I heard some of the shit he said.

Tom DeLay makes a cameo in the video....

"...and obviously we have to be connected to Israel to enjoy the 2nd coming of Christ"
Tom Delay

Watch this nutty shit. Can you believe what you are seeing?

Rapture Ready: The Unauthorized Christians United for Israel Tour

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al Qaeda -- Iraq ---- -- ---- -- ---------- -- Osama bin Laden

Thanks to: http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?t=24815

Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:25 pm


In a speech in Carolina today, George Bush discussed the war on terror.
The full text is available here http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070724-3.html

But I have taken the liberty of highlighting the important bits.

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Will All The Joo Haters Please Stand Up?

The Zionist angle has never been something that I was terribly interested in. But I've noticed something recently. Well, not recently actually. I noticed it a long time ago.

I was banned from a site called Guerrilla News Network (GNN.TV) because someone called me an anti-semite. I hit back by calling the guy a loony cock and pointed out that for the many years I had been on that site I've rarely mentioned the word jew, semite, zionist, or even Israel. So I was permanently banned.

After that I decided to just LOOK at the holocaust history. Now I barely got into my history lesson when I noticed an intense argument that overshadows ANY study of the holocaust or Israel politics relative to the USA.

I found that there are laws in civilized societies that can land you in trouble for just THINKING or COMMUNICATING skepticism about the Holocaust! Wow!

That should be enough for any sensible human with a brain to want to figure this out.

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Dog who searched for WTC survivors dies

This is sad. Dog's are truly man's best friend, I'm living testament to that.


A black Labrador who became a national canine hero after burrowing through white-hot, smoking debris in search of survivors at the World Trade Center site died Wednesday after a battle with cancer.

Owner Mary Flood had Jake put to sleep Wednesday after a last stroll through the fields and a dip in the creek near their home in Oakley, Utah. He was in too much pain at the end, shaking with a 105-degree fever as he lay on the lawn.

No one can say whether the dog would have gotten sick if he hadn't been exposed to the smoky air at ground zero, but cancer in dogs Jake's age — he was 12 — is quite common.

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Korey Rowe's "Political Prisoner" Saga is...

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Support the GI Resistance -- Korey Rowe Arrested for Desertion

Despite my personal challenges as a member of Smart-Alecks Anonymous, I am going to refrain from mentioning Michael Chertoff's gut's solidarity or the ever-present specter of the AJ-esque publicity stunt and just keep it at brass tacks level: People who physically resist the war deserve our support first and foremost, and our cynicism and smart-assery only after that.

Iraq Vets Against the War
Courage to Resist
Local newspaper coverage

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No, Really - There's a Shortage of Sand

What's wrong with this article? Well apparently there's a shortage of sand. No need to explain that one, right? Not only that, but there's a shortage of purified silicon (silicon is the second most abundant element in the earth's crust, after oxygen).

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What About the Old Pearl Harbor?

Call me crazy. I just got Day of Deceit by Robert Stinnet, a book that has gotten somepublicity in the mainstream press despite its "shocking" claim that FDR knew full well the Japanese were going to attack and Let It Happen On Purpose. He cites evidence that we had broken all the necessary Japanese codes and that on top of that the Japanese were quite brazenly or carelessly repeatedly breaking radio silence.

FDR LIHOP is certainly not a shock to any of us I'm sure. But something unthinkable is nagging at the back of my mind. What if Pearl Harbor was not LIHOP but MIHOP? How would we know? I looked up pictures of the attack and it's hard to find any evidence that in fact it was the Japanese causing all the big explosions.

It's not just the seemingly nonexistent visual confirmation though. Think about it. We have the official story which is "complete surprise"--no one saw it coming, yatta yatta. We've heard that one in regard to 9/11.

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You Learn Something New Every Day – The SOTT Critiques

Commenting on my article originally posted here -- “Behaviors and Thought Patterns within the Operations of the Criminal Psychopath as They Relate to 9/11 and False Flag Terror Ops” -- Laura from signs-of-the-times.org is right -- In the fields of modern psychology and bio-genetics, I have not done my “homework.” This is most probably due to my spending professional and personal time in a completely different field of research. My intent was not to write a journal-ready, academic psychology article on the psychopathic mind. I am not a psychologist. It was merely a personal attempt to try to comprehend the consciousness of the false-flag terrorist with whatever hypothetical or theoretical psychological knowledge I was in possession of at the time that I began this meditation and search for understanding. At this point, I have moved beyond the psychological aspects of these events and am now back in more familiar areas of empirical investigation.

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Dave McGowan's latest September 11 Revisited piece

Dave has done it again! His latest piece on 9/11 is filled with brilliant, insightful analysis, including more on what the hell was the deal with flight 93 and the agenda behind the new wave of disinfo theories concerning the demolition of the Twin Towers, among other things.

July 4, 2007
September 11, 2001 Revisited


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Why Ron Paul Again?

In the following enlightening article I get the sense that Ron Paul is being used, wittingly or not, to lump together all kinds of "wacky" political strains into one candidate so as to efficiently be able to dismiss all of those supporters' positions when it comes time to selecting which corporate candidate will sully the oval office. Of course the pubescent student scholars for truth think this was a great write-up, and Reprecensor's 911Blogger is only too happy to publish the link... So let me get this straight--he pretends to believe in the Islamofascist myth to keep himself electable but the journalists he expresses this view to say categorically that he is NOT going to be the next president. Hmmm... So it's about the message. The message of... even libertarians are afraid of Islamofascists...

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A Philosophy for a Better Future

embrace your kinship with all living things.

give back to the world as much as you can, but at least as much as it gave you.

forgive ignorance and condemn deceit, and don't rush to judgement in making the distinction.

apply that principle first to yourself and then to others.

thoughts? additions? i'm hoping we can get some positive energy flowing--what say ye?

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A long letter to Tahooey regarding history, terrorism, and the image of “Israel”

Hello Tahooey,
Thanks for your commentary and thoughts on a delicate and controversial subject. Israel, as a sixty year old political entity created under the shadows of British colonialism, has always been very concerned with hiding or softening the inconvenient truths of its genesis and modern history (America does this as well -- ask a Navajo), and in place of the truth, Israel likes to project, as a mask or cover, a crafted, criticism-deflecting, “innocent victim” image. Because the United States, since the end of the Second World War, has been Israel’s prime benefactor -- maintaining and protecting the historically misinformed perception of Israel and the Palestinian conflict as it is held in the American mind is of primary importance and grave concern to Israel; and I am using the term “American mind” here to indicate the general public perception within the continental, North American media audience.

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Major bombing threat to New York on Wednesday July 18 -- Please warn the American people

This is alittle after the fact, but this was posted on 911B and thought it was a very interesting read.
I read through all 26-27 threads and found some compelling facts.

Major bombing threat to New York on Wednesday July 18 -- Please warn the American people


I'd like to hear some of your thoughts on this. And if the warning is true, we should all expect to see an "event" Tues, 7-24 in NYC, which is tomarrow by my calender.

I really hope this is a hoax. But if it isnt, and a real event does happen on 7-24, this may be the event that justifies the Truth movement to the masses.

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A Personal Tale of Modern Orthodox Judaism

The author is a law professor at Harvard. His story is about the contradictions inherent in reconciling his orthodox education with his participation in the "real world".

It's an interesting read especially in light of Israel Shahak's much more critical work on Orthodox Judaism, Jewish History Jewish Religion - The Weight of Three Thousand Years.

It's nice to see this kind of soul-searching published, couched as it is in apologetics...

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Sie vergaßen die Tanzenisraelis und Herr Silverstein... dennoch ganz gut...

Bruce? Was denkest du??

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Truth in print ... ?

I once started a local newspaper and worked as its managing editor for 6 months. The interest and response to our new publication was surprising and encouraging. The experience has often made me think that a professionally produced Truth publication (on newsprint) might have an enormous impact because so many people have never had the opportunity to be exposed to the information that convinced us that something needs to be done.

This would be a monthly publication on small newsprint with 8 pages containing 10 to 15 articles of various lengths featuring stories chosen from online or newly written articles covering different aspects of the questions, facts, and controversies surrounding 9-11 and the individuals involved.

Ideally the publication would appear (and be) completely unbiased and present the facts objectively and leave conjecture up to the subjects of the articles.

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Tarpley on new war with Iran

Stuff I lifted from 9-11B


This writeup by Tarpley makes so much sense I wanted to share it here.

Only impeachment and Removal, or a General Strike, Will Stop the Next False Flag Attack

The greatest threat now is “a 9/11 occurring with a group of terrorists armed not with airline tickets and box cutters, but with a nuclear weapon in the middle of one of our own cities.”
- Dick Cheney on Face the Nation, CBS, April 15, 2007

By Webster G. Tarpley
July 21, 2007

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