Richard Gage: Shark Jump Complete?

Oh yes, I'm sure he is. I bet the dudes they get to recruit patsies are *all* "muslims"... :)

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

I Quote:

"With all the fake truthers, infiltration and MSM misrepresentation, it would be highly unlikely that Gage would be left spotless, but what is he supposed to do, desist? keep quiet, go away? when his message is still reaching people, cuts to the best evidence, and he is reaching and influencing many people with that evidence."

Gage is the best man to judge what to do with his organization and his truthing. But early on in his organizing, he had to cleanse ranks taking out fake architects from his roster. He should recognize the problem he has now with fake truthers/associates and do a similar cleansing of ranks. It is obviously difficult to do this, but some fake truthers are easy enough to spot and perhaps it is high time to criticize them publicly. Kevin Ryan for one seems to be off with his anti Bush/Saudi agenda even if he is very much for controlled demolition. He has been vocal about this view, and I think AE911 could have given him a pointed critique. Though this is not the expertise of architects, the problem is multi faceted, and confronts disinformation, so specializing without a general appreciation of the political and other aspects makes one vulnerable and easy picking for the disinfo agents.

If anything, I hope Gage goes on and proves us wrong by showing that he knows what he is doing. I think he is a well intentioned person. But I fear that his associates will lead him off a credibility cliff if he is not careful.

that you're right and that my suspicion, if not my skepticism, is in fact unwarranted. I just don't know that I can accept as sound strategy appearing at events where a slew of more or less unrelated issues will be discussed. This has the effect of marginalizing a message that must not be marginalized. It's entirely the opposite--those like Gage around whom lots of sincere truthers have rallied should be super sensitive to the way that their decisions and actions will be scrutinized. As someone who has given money to and promoted the AE group, I feel perfectly entitled to voice my concern (I know no one is begrudging me that, btw.) Not just about the association of the cause with every conspiracy theory under the sun but with the (in my view) excessive faith in Stevn Jones' nanothermite findings. Yes, others have found the same things in the same dust samples, but that isn't enough assurance for me given what we know about the methods used to discredit people making allegations. Let me use the OJ murder trial as an example. One of the main reasons he was acquitted is because "the glove didn't fit." This surely caught the prosecution by surprise as they could only have assumed that a bloody glove found at the scene would have been OJ's own glove. Leading me to suspect (not conclusively but to be open to the possibility) that the glove was planted by a friend of the defense. An evidence honey trap much like the forged "Bush AWOL documents" that Dan Rather was fooled into reporting as genuine. When the facts are against you, sabotage your accusers with some fantastic looking evidence that people will seize upon even if they don't need it! We don't need it at this point! At all! Saying I told you so will not be consolation for me if it turns out I'm right--especially since few in the truth movement are likely to publicly acknowledge that and give me credit for calling it correctly. The truth movement could be dealt a mortal blow by this, and that would be a tragedy.

...that David Ray Griffin and David Chandler are sincere, to answer your question about who the good people are. I don't think they're perfect, or immune from bad advice, I just believe they are sincere. There are also, I'm sure, millions of sincere average citizens who want 9/11 to be properly investigated. I will stand by my assertion however, until the day I die, that the 9/11 truth movement has been heavily infiltrated since day 1, possibly earlier (before 9/11 even happened), and that the majority of "famous" truthers are actually liars and fakes. Moreover I stand by the thrust of our analysis at WTCD over the years with regard to the various factions/cliques/flavors of fake truthers. I'm sure I'm also wrong about a bunch of stuff, and am always happy to reassess my beliefs. In order to avoid perpetual confusion however I have zero-tolerance for BS, which is why despite WANTING to believe Kevin Barrett is sincere, I just can't bring myself to do it after so many disappointments from him, including teaming up with Fetzer on a radio show after he was obviously up to no good, endorsing Steve Alten's Shell Game LIHOP book, and several other cases that individually may have been forgivable but taken on the whole make a compelling case against his bona fides...