Alleged seating chart of "Flight 93"

gretavo's picture

Let's play a little game! We know of the many absurd claims about this flight--the alleged (impossible) cell phone calls, the alleged "passenger revolt", the alleged plowing of the plane into the soft earth such that none of it was visible above ground, except one of the hijackers' documents and bandana... What are some, let's say, improbabilities about this alleged flight that may not have gotten as much attention?

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gretavo's picture

we might start...

...by trying to guess which of the listed alleged passengers is the fake uncle Mickey of True Faction's "YT" aka "Cosmos"...

gretavo's picture

it shouldn't be too hard

given how ridiculously empty this flight is...

Adam Syed's picture

Found him...

gretavo's picture

a fake uncle

Cosmos apparently said "Mickey" was his uncle but then admitted he wasn't actually even a relative--just "like" an uncle. In any case, "Mickey" seems to be connected with one of the fake phone calls:

Within minutes, a phone call was made by passenger Tom Burnett, in first class. He spoke quietly, “as if he was being watched.”

“He told his wife, Deena, that a passenger had been stabbed,” says Longman. “And then he called her back and said that the person was dead, that he had tried to perform CPR and couldn’t feel a pulse. By process of elimination, it appears it was a passenger named Mark ‘Mickey’ Rothenberg. His wife believes that as well.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080117/

Cell Phone Numbers Recognized on Caller ID

In spite of what has been said above, some people may be able to accept the idea that everyone who reported receiving cell phone calls from the 9/11 airliners – except perhaps for those who reported the 9:58 calls from Felt and Lyles – had misunderstood what they had been told. But even if so, they face a still more difficult problem: If all the calls (except the two at 9:58) were made from onboard phones, as the FBI’s report for the Moussaoui trial says, why did some of the calls produce the supposed caller’s cell phone number on the recipient’s Caller ID?

Tom Burnett: The best-known case of this type involves the reported calls from Flight 93 passenger Tom Burnett to his wife, Deena Burnett. As we saw earlier, she told the FBI agent that she had received three to five calls from her husband that morning. The FBI report then added:

“Burnett was able to determine that her husband was using his own cellular telephone because the caller identification showed his number, 925 980-3360. Only one of the calls did not show on the caller identification as she was on the line with another call.”65

According to the report presented to the Moussaoui trial, however, Tom Burnett completed three calls, all of which were made using a passenger-seat phone (the rows from which he allegedly made the calls are indicated).66

It is instructive to compare the FBI’s treatment of Deena Burnett’s testimony with its treatment of the testimony of Lorne Lyles, the husband of CeeCee Lyles. The FBI’s summary of its interview with him says: “At 9:58 AM, Lorne Lyles received a call at home from her celular [sic] telephone. Lyles was in a deep sleep at the time. . . . Lyles commented that CeCe [sic] Lyles’ telephone number 941-823-2355 was the number on the caller ID.”67 When the FBI turned in its telephone report for the Moussaoui trial, it reflected Lorne Lyles’s testimony that his spouse had used a cell phone. But even though Deena Burnett provided the same evidence – that her spouse’s cell phone number had appeared on her phone’s Caller ID – the FBI’s report for the Moussaoui trial did not reflect her testimony, but instead said that her husband had used a seat-back phone. This contrast provides further evidence that the FBI’s report was tailored to avoid affirming any high-altitude cell phone calls.

In any case, how can anyone say that the FBI’s treatment of the reported calls from Tom Burnett does not provide insuperable evidence against the truth of the official story? If he had actually called from an onboard phone, as the FBI now says, how could his home phone’s Caller ID have possibly indicated that the calls came from his cell phone? Some people reject as “unwarranted speculation” the suggestion that this shows that the calls were faked. But until someone comes up with an alternative explanation, this is the only hypothesis that accounts for the facts.

One cannot avoid the problem, moreover, by assuming that the FBI agent who wrote the report of the interview misinterpreted her. She repeated her statement about the Caller ID a year later to McClatchy reporter Greg Gordon,68 and five years later she repeated it again in a book, in which she said: “I looked at the caller ID and indeed it was Tom’s cell phone number.” She said, incidentally, that she realized that this was problematic, writing: “I didn't understand how he could be calling me on his cell phone from the air.”69 She, nevertheless, reported what she had seen.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16924

Annoymouse's picture

"Cosmos apparently said

"Cosmos apparently said "Mickey" was his uncle but then admitted he wasn't actually even a relative--just "like" an uncle."

do you have a link to or source for that? not that i doubt you, but i was hoping for something more "official". thanks in advance.

gretavo's picture

I'll ask Casseia for back up here...

...C455?

gretavo's picture

I consider all claims of passengers unproven

given the lack of any credible evidence that they were on the alleged flights, i.e. the actual flight manifests. I've also had people lie to me and tell me a "good friend" of theirs died on the plane that hit the Pentagon and when I asked them which flight that was they didn't know. Riiiiight...