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Christopher Bollyn arrest drama - genuine or staged to make the truth movement look bad? Genuine. He is a genuine truther who was singled out by police for harassment. 68% (19 votes) Staged. He pretends to be a truther in order to make the movement look bad. 32% (9 votes) Total votes: 28 |
PollWho destroyed the WTC on 9/11? Al Qaeda 0% The Guy who made billions from its destruction 100% Total votes: 1 Disqus Comments |
genuine or staged?
from what i have read of his stuff, he seems to be genuine. he has studied and lived in the Middle East. I respect this. He was tasered and his arm broken in front of his family! come on. I also saw the CNN complete interview and then the "edited" version with hysterical commentary. keep us posted on the latest with his trial.
I hear ya, BUT
Did you read the articles linked to in the first post about this? I think it seems a bit fishy...
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seems awfully fishy to me as well
anytime a guy gets propped up on cnn as an anti-semite 9/11 truther, i have my reservations. he knew they were going to twist the shit out of his message(s), so why appear on the CIA cointelpro network aka CNN? makes me wonder why john albanese went on fox news to look like a dumbass. where is his new disinfo film? yeah, you know who this is RT. i'll register when i'm goddamn ready!!!
Hmmmm...
All lower-case, only single space after periods. Ve haf vayz of makink you tell...
appearing on cointelpro
Mike Berger and many of the others from 911truth.org have appeared on MSM - on purpose, despite the abuse and the time limitations and interruptions, in order to just get the "notion" of 9/11 truth out there to the masses...if more and more people have that opportunity...you never know.
and on zeitgeist
film, there is DRG with what's his hame, conservative TV MSM. DRG and Dr. Jones have appeared several times, i believe. what are they going to do, refuse?
Tucker Carlson
I think you're missing the point, though. DRG going on Tucker Carlson's show is one thing. Chris Bollyn going on Wolf Blitzer's show is totally different. Do you see how that is?
no one is forced or even asked to register!
and RT says he has no clue who you are. but your observations are keen. You can of course register pseudonymously and no one will know it's you but if you hadn't heard, 2007 has been declared 9/11 Truth Coming Out year. Truthers will be encouraged to come out to their families, friends, and bosses'wives all over the country. You can set the tone now by coming out as named or you can continue to stay in the annoymouse closet and keep the big mallet--up to you pal!
coming out as a truther, you understand.
Like "Hello Mom, it's Mark Bingham. I feel like you should know--I'm one of those 9/11 truth people. You believe me, right?"
You don't have to stick to the script--just make sure that the conversation flows smoothly and that they are convinced you are telling the truth about who you are.
Bollyn extract, read re: Rodriguez, upcoming Loose Change
http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn-9-11-Controlling-the-Message.html
ok...
Thanks for the link, it's an article worth reading. I particularly worry about the William Rodriguez quote about being set for life if Hillary is elected. That would be a shame, given that she is firmly in Silverstein's pocket...
That article is from May 2006, BTW
It doesn't help that it refers to the release of LCFC "this fall" -- that would be Fall 2006. That was the plan, but shit happens...
Here are the things I found especially interesting:
Referring to Rodriguez:
For example, he has personal knowledge that Israeli Mossad agents, posing as employees of a moving company in New Jersey, met regularly with some of the Arab terror suspects at a video store a block from his home in Jersey City during the year prior to the attacks.
What are the chances of this? Am I misreading? They met in a video store near Rodriguez's home and he observed them?
In return for his co-operation in suppressing evidence of Israeli involvement in 9-11 and the explosions, Rodriguez has apparently been given vague promises of financial stability – and even political office – particularly in the event that Hillary Clinton wins the presidency in 2008. "I will be set for life if Hillary wins," he told AFP, which suggests that the powers behind Clinton are directly involved in the cover-up.
That would suck.
Webster G. Tarpley, author of 9-11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, is one of the authors being promoted by the controlled media. As his title suggests, Tarpley's thesis revolves around the Bush administration being behind 9-11 and completely ignores the evidence of Israeli involvement.
This is not accurate. The "Angel Is Next" scenario clearly puts the Bush Admin (at least Bush himself and 3-heart-attacks-4-pacemakers Cheney)at the periphery of the action, with terms being dictated to them by a shadowy cabal. It is true that Tarpley denies that Israel per se was a force behind 9/11. (And to nitpick, "Made In USA" accurately reflects Tarpley's position as I understand it -- it's not the same as "Done by the USA.")
Deborah S. Simon received special thanks in the video's credits for providing footage and other help in producing Loose Change. Simon told AFP that she even handed out copies of the video in front of the White House. Who is Deborah Simon, and why is she helping produce and promote Loose Change?
Yeah, and what was the "other help"? Money? Have the Loose Change boys publicly stated how much the first two movies cost to make and where the money came from? (They may have -- I'd like to know.)Shoestring first-time filmmakers tend to brag about both cost and financing (how many times have you heard some combination of "It only cost $17 bucks to make" and "I maxed out 12 credit cards to finance this labor of love!")
So Deborah married into the Simon family. The following refers to the Simon family patriarch:
More notably, Simon has had business partnerships with both Larry Silverstein and the Australian-Israeli billionaire Frank Lowy, the leaseholders of the destroyed World Trade Center. In the late 1980s, Silverstein and Simon developed a mall in Manhattan together, and after 9-11, Simon teamed up with Lowy's Westfield America in an attempt to take over the prestigious retail properties belonging to Taubman Centers, Inc. of Detroit.
Silverstein and Simon both sit on the advisory board of the Steven L. Newman Real Estate Institute of Baruch College in downtown Manhattan.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me as though Deborah Simon has a significantly closer relationship to Larry Silverstein than the proverbial five handshakes. That fact in itself should make eyebrows go waaaay up.
thanks for the perspective and analysis
right about the dates, sorry. Loose Change 3 is supposed to be released this fall, 2007 (?) Looking forward to this (and Sicko!) The Simon connection is disturbing. Would hate to think it is just Quasi-truth filmmaking, then, used for political purposes.
and, after listening to the Darryl Bradford Smith/Bollyn interview of May 11, 2006:
i hope they go more into what happened to the real planes and passengers. who were these "passengers and hijackers"? the cell phone calls...could they have been made from the "hangers"? could the passengers have been agents or extras in the script? or could they have been really innocents perhaps mixed in with agents and foricibly handed scripts to read in the hangers?
The Loose Change boys were supposed to be guests of Rosie's on Barbara Walters' The View last month, along with Willy Rodriguez. There was a big stir and lots of hyp...then whoosh...Rosie is fired/resigns and the show is preempted that morning by King George's last minute press conference...
how do we get 9/11 truth to be an issue on MSM? we need to demand this from our media...or else! turn off the tubes, unsubscribe the papers. hound NPR!
kate of the kiosk
hey kate
you should be able to login as a registered user now, customize your avatar, etc...
I did notice this was an older article as Casseia points out. And Casseia also does a good job of pointing out the interesting parts of the article. It's interesting to see how Loose Change has been used thus far. The way the "final cut" has been dangled for so long in front of people and neevr seems to materialize combined with the secretiveness surrounding the production and Alex Jones' involvement makes me very suspicious of it in general. The Simon family connection and the lack of any mention of Israel is just more to add there. Willie Rodriguez who I had long considered beyond suspicion (or close to it) being involved with the View debacle AND seeming to be in some kind of contact with Hillary Clinton, who counts Larry Silverstein as her biggest individual donor is yet more fodder for suspicion.
I've gotten to the point where I really do believe that most of the personalities who have been prominent in the truth movement are part of the "controlled movement", either wittingly or not. Whether or not this is in fact true doesn't change the fact that we need to move beyond a movement based on leaders and personalities to one that is truly grassroots in which individuals become empowered with facts and in turn empower others. For all our success, we are only beginning to break through the fog that most people are in. Most people have no idea who any of these "9/11 Truth personalities" are and honestly it makes little difference if they ever become aware of them as long as they become aware of the issue in general.
I respect that people will have different views on all of this of course but I hope we can all agree that healthy skepticism is in order with so much deception surrounding us!
absolutely
either wittingly or unwittingly...very frustrating.
when do you think the final loose change will come out?
we should keep Bollyn's status up to date. I am very impressed with his research, although he tends to stress that this was not a Vatican or catholic plot, nor was it an American plot.
i would not rule out a cabal of crossover elements. zionist involvement? absolutely, but others also.
no clue
when lcfc will come out. agree we should follow Bollyn's case, but we should be careful about unquestioningly endorsing anyone or their work. I think people's work stands on its own and it can be judged on its merits without making someone into a hero or a leader, etc.
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"Truth will have no gods before it.- The belief in truth begins with the doubt of all truths in which one has previously believed."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)