Illuminati=Bankers=Protocols?

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I found this interesting site and copy here their discussion of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I begin my excerpt with their selection of passages from the Protocol that match the "Illuminati" agenda. It seems to be their position that the Illuminati are agents of the Rothschilds and other bankers who at some point infiltrated the Freemasons. The Protocols, it argues, were re-written to appear to be a specifically Jewish plot in order to provide cover for their own New World Order Plot.

Whether or not that is in fact the explanation, or whether there is another, I continue to find the document to be eerily on target in many ways as regards the machinations of the elite, and much more Machiavellian than Machiavelli himself (Machiavelli's The Prince has a rather narrow focus on principalities--little to do with world conquest) Anyway, here we go...

Those researchers who believe in the authenticity of the Protocols trace them back to 1785 when the Illuminati courier was struck by lightning on the way to Paris and their plans for world control was discovered. The Illuminati had drafted a master plan that was worded in such a way that it diverted attention away from the Illuminati and directed it towards the Jewish Revolutionary movement in Russia. Their plan would appear to be a Jewish plot to achieve world control through political Zionism, when in fact it represented the future plans of the international bankers of the Illuminati. The fact that the document was anti-Semitic would help suppress it.

One inescapable fact is that the Protocols do reflect some of the views of Weishaupt and the writings of various Socialists on Bolshevism; and because of that, they were not easily dismissed. Even though they were written so long ago, they have become an accurate barometer of events during this century, and seem to parallel the goals of the Illuminati as you can see in these excerpts from the Victor Marsden translation.
Excerpts from the Marsden Translation of the "Protocols"

"Out of the temporary evil we are now compelled to commit, will emerge the good of an unshakable rule, which will restore the regular course of the machinery of the national life, brought to naught by liberalism. The result justifies the means. Let us, however, in our plans, direct our attention not to what is good and moral, as to what is necessary and useful.

Our power in the present tottering condition of all forms of power will be more invisible than any other, because it will remain invisible until the moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning can any longer undermine it. Before us is a plan in which is laid down strategically the line from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labor of many centuries brought to naught..."

"Only force conquers in political affairs, especially if it be concealed in the talents essential to statesmen ... This evil is the one and only means to attain the end, the good. Therefore we must not stop at bribery, deceit, and treachery, when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. In politics one must know how to seize the property of others without hesitation if by it we secure submission and sovereignty."

"Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves. The administrators, whom we shall choose from among the public, with strict regard to their capacities for servile obedience, will not be persons trained in the art of government, and will therefore easily become pawns in our game in the hands of men of learning and genius who will be their advisors, specialists bred and reared from early childhood to rule the affairs of the whole world."

"Do not suppose for a moment that those statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzcheism. To us, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the goyim."

[Note: The Yiddish word "goy" (plural "goyim") is used by Jews as a derogatory term for non-Jews. --ed]

"Through the Press we have gained the power to influence while remaining ourselves in the shade; thanks to the Press we have got the gold in our hands, notwithstanding that we have had to gather it out of the oceans of blood and tears."

"To this end we have stirred up every form of enterprise, we have armed all parties, we have set up authority as a target for every ambition ... disorders and bankruptcy will be universal."

"We appear on the scene as alleged saviors of the worker from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces -- Socialists, Anarchists, Communists -- to whom we will always give support."

"Our power is in the chronic shortness of food ... Hunger creates the right of capital to rule the worker more surely than it was given to the aristocracy by the legal authority of kings."

"By want and the envy and hatred which it engenders we shall move the mobs and with their hands we shall wipe out all those who hinder us ... When the hour strikes for our Sovereign Lord of all the World to be crowned it is these same hands which will sweep away everything that might be a hindrance thereto."

"This hatred will be still further magnified by the effects of an economic crisis, which will stop dealings on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, a universal economic crisis whereby we shall throw upon the streets whole mobs of workers simultaneously in all the countries of Europe."

"Remember the French Revolution, to which it was we who gave the name of 'Great': the secrets of its preparations are well known to us, for it was wholly the work of our hands..."

"We shall create an intensified centralization of government in order to grip in our hands all the forces of the community. We shall regulate mechanically all the actions of the political life of our subjects by new laws ... These laws will withdraw one by one all the indulgences and liberties which have been permitted ... to wipe out any unenlightened who oppose us by deed or word."

"We have set one against another the personal and national reckonings of the goyim religious and race hatred, which we have fostered into a huge growth in the course of the past twenty centuries. This is the reason why there is one State which would anywhere receive support if it were to raise its arm, for every one of them must bear in mind that any agreement against us would be unprofitable to itself. We are too strong -- there is no evading our power. The nations cannot come to even an inconsiderable private agreement without our secretly having a hand in it..."

"Nowadays it is more important to disarm the peoples than to lead them into war..."

"In order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression from all sides to so many contradictory opinions and for such length of time as will suffice to make the goyim lose their heads in the labyrinth and come to see that the best thing is to have no opinion of any kind in matters political, which it is not given to the public to understand, because they are understood only by him who guides the public. This is the final secret."

"By all these means we shall so wear down the goyim that they will be compelled to offer us international power of a nature that by its position will enable us, without any violence, gradually to absorb all the State forces of the world and to form a Super-Government ... Its hands will reach out in all directions like nippers and its organization will be of such colossal dimensions that it cannot fail to subdue all the nations of the world."

"We shall raise the rate of wages, which, however, will not bring any advantage to the workers, for at the same time, we shall produce a rise in prices ... We shall further undermine artfully and deeply the sources of production, by accustoming the workers to anarchy and to drunkedness ... In order that the true meaning of things may not strike the unenlightened before the proper time we shall mask it under an alleged ardent desire to serve the working classes and the great principles of political economy about which our economic theories are carrying on an energetic propaganda."

"The intensification of armaments, the increase of police forces... are all essential for the completion of the aforementioned plans. What we have to get at is that there should be in all the States of the world, besides ourselves, only the masses of the proletariat, a few millionaires devoted to our interests, police and soldiers."

"In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts; and to all, if we allow the possibility of general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America or China or Japan."

"Our directorate must surround itself with all these forces of civilization among which it will have to work. It will surround itself with publicists, practical jurists, administrators, diplomats and, finally, with persons prepared by a special super-educational training in our special schools."

"We have in our service persons of all opinions, of all doctrines, restoring monarchists, demagogues, socialists, communists, and utopian dreamers of every kind. We have harnessed them all to one task: each one of them on his own account is boring away at the last remnants of authority, is striving to overthrow all established forms of order."

"We have fooled, bemused and corrupted the youth of the goyim by rearing them in principles and theories which are known to us to be false although it is by us that they have been inculcated."

"Above the existing laws without altering them, and by merely twisting them into contradictions of interpretations, we have erected something grandiose in the way of results. These results found expression first in the fact that the interpretations masked the laws: afterwards they entirely hid them from the eyes of the government owing to the impossibility of making anything out of the tangled web of legislation."

"The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands ... We shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war..."

"Not a single announcement will reach the public without our control. Even now this is already attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them."

"Our wise men, trained to become leaders of the goyim, will compose speeches, projects, memoirs, articles, which will be used by us to influence the minds of the goyim, directing them towards such understanding and forms of knowledge as have been determined by us."

"Economic crises have been produced by us for the goyim by no other means than the withdrawal of money from circulation ... You are aware that the gold standard has been the ruin of the States which adopted it, for it has not been able to satisfy the demands for money, the more so that we have removed gold from circulation as far as possible."

"Thanks to such methods (paying interest on loans), allowed by the carelessness of the goy States, their treasuries are empty. The period of loan supervenes, and that has swallowed up remainders and brought all the goy states to bankruptcy."

"...[by] any form of taxation per head, the State is baling out the last coppers of the poor taxpayers, in order to settle accounts with wealthy foreigners from whom it borrowed money, from the pockets of the poor to those of the rich..."

"We have got our hands into the administration of the law, into the conduct of elections, into the press, into the liberty of the person, but principally into education and training as being the corner-stones of a free existence."

"...it is indispensable for us to undermine all faith, to tear of minds out of the unenlightened the very principle of Godhead and the spirit, and to put in its place arithmetical calculations and material needs."

"When we come into our kingdom it will be undesirable for us that there should exist any other religion but ours of the 'One God' with whom our destiny is bound up by our position as the Chosen People and through whom our same destiny is united with the destinies of the world. We must therefore sweep away all other forms of belief."

After reading these words, you may also have a feeling of uneasiness. Seemingly, the Protocols do elaborate on the Illuminati program for world takeover that would not have pertained to the world at the time the Protocols were alleged to have been written. Because of the depth of information given on the various aspects of the plan, I believe that they were written by or based on the writings of someone who had an intimate knowledge of the future plans and inner workings of the international bankers. From that standpoint, I consider the information to be authentic. However, because the document identifies the Jews as being responsible for carrying out this insidious plot, I consider the Protocols as a whole to be a fraudulent rendering of an earlier document which has since been lost.

A few years ago, another theory came to light in regard to the Protocols. If the document was forged with the intent of being an indictment against all Jews, it would not just pinpoint a small group of individuals. It speaks of a "King of the blood of Sion" who will preside over a "Masonic kingdom" and that this king will be of "the dynastic roots of King David." It claims that the "King of the Jews will be the real Pope" and "the patriarch of an international church."

Eliphas Levi (Alphonse Louis Constant), who had joined a Martinist-affiliated Masonic lodge which later merged with the Memphis and Mizraim Lodges, had assisted Charles Nodier (Grandmaster of the Prieuré de Sion 1801-1844) to sift through the Vatican documents taken by Napoleon. Before he died in 1875, he said that "...in 1879 a new political and religious 'universal Kingdom' would be established, and that it would be possessed by 'him who would have the keys of the East'." This unusual comment has lead researchers to believe that he had access to the original Protocols document which was kept at the Mizraim Lodge.

Protocol number 3 states:

"When the hour strikes for our Sovereign Lord of all the World to be crowned it is these hands which will sweep away everything that might be a hinderance thereto. 'Ours' they will not touch, because the moment of the attack will be known to us and we shall take measures to protect our own. Ever since that time we have been leading the peoples from one disenchantment to another, so that in the end they should turn also from us in favor of that King-Despot of the blood of Sion, whom we are preparing for the world."

Protocol number 15 states: "When the King of Israel sets upon his sacred head the crown offered to him by Europe he will become the patriarch of the world." Number 17 says: "The King of the Jews will be the real Pope of the Universe, the patriarch of an international church." And number 24 reads:

"I pass now to the method of confirming the dynastic roots of King David to the last strata of the earth. The prop of humanity in the person of the supreme lord of all the world of the holy seed of David must sacrifice to his people all personal inclinations."

It concludes by saying that "certain members of the Seed of David will prepare the Kings and their heirs ... 0nly the King and the three who stood sponsor for him will know what is coming." It is signed "...by the representatives of Sion, of the 33rd degree." These strange references have been linked to a little known organization known as the Prieuré de Sion, which will be discussed in a later chapter. It is possible that the original text of the Protocols was based on a document taken from this organization, which was altered by Sergei Nilus to make the entire Jewish race look bad.
Editor's notes:

E1. A comment from a Catholic author about the true source of the 'Protocols' document:

"Although first published in Russia in 1903, The Protocols Of [The Learned Elders Of] Zion had their origin in France and date from the Dreyfus Affair, of which the Jesuits were the chief instigators. They were planned also first to take effect in France, by the overthrow of the 'Judaic-Masonic' government of the French Republic. But the discovery of the gigantic fraud of Leo Taxil, who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the concluding of the Franco-Russian alliance, along with the Vatican's difficulties with the French government at that time, made it more opportune to have them appear first in Russia.

"These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first documents of their kind fabricated by the Jesuits. For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the Jesuits had continued to make use of a similar fraud called 'The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine' against Jansenism -- an anti-Jesuit French Catholic movement among the secular clergy."

-- Leo H. Lehmann, from "Behind the Dictators", 1945

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bruce1337's picture

Very interesting!

I've for some time now had an inkling that the zionist fraction is but the quasi untouchable executive squad of a larger entity -- which would make total focus on them as inadvisable as AJ's total focus on an all-american NWO. I believe there's quite a lot to the protocols, and thus the, albeit international, NWO.

"1785 when the Illuminati courier was struck by lightning on the way to Paris and their plans for world control was discovered."

LOL, now that's rattling my agnostic cage!
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gretavo's picture

my impression is that...

the whole thing is just wrapped up in legend, mystique, and possibly dubious ethnic connections but come on, who can read it and not say "hmmmm... sounds about right..."

frankly I don't care who the damn financial elite are, they just have to be STOPPED--we MUST democratize and regulate the creation of money, period. then, whoever this tool has benefitted will be screwed, whether they are Zionists, owl worshippers, or lizard people--WHO CARES!!

bruce1337's picture

Absolutely.

During this endeavour, we should take care not to succumb to divide et impera, though -- and digging trenches between the camp calling them Zionists or rather NWO is just that, or is it not?
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gretavo's picture

well, there's no question that some heavy hitters

in the banking world have been ardent Zionists...

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_zionists_land.php

Also, I'm not the one that lumps 9/11 in with the new world order stuff. i really do think that 9/11 was the brainchild of radical Zionists, not necessarily sanctioned by some supreme world order of illuminati or bankers.

I look at the Protocols and the whole "secret history" of societies like the freemasons and illuminati as separate from 9/11. Alex Jones and his ilk are the ones who want to tie it all together. Why bother? Why not study one set of issues as part of a longer term clarification of history and the other, 9/11, in more immediate terms? then, if after the truth about 9/11 is fleshed out, it seems to fit in with some long term global program of the elite then fine, but we have no evidence for such a connection. i happen to think that whoever the elites are they did not become elites or retain their elite positions by committing such reckless acts as those who perpetrated 9/11.

The elites who wish to dominate the world may well toss Israel and Zionism into the dustbin of history if it suited their purposes. That is of course unless the Protocols are right and the elites/Zionists are exactly the same people. I haven't come to that conclusion myself...

bruce1337's picture

Yea, no question.

But isn't there evidence that 9/11 was sanctioned by the bankers -- what about Nick Rockefeller according to Russo? Also, what interests would Zionists have had for the global advance of surveillance and regress of civil rights that ensued, perpetuated by individual governments all over the place -- do you think that was merely coincidence and/or opportunism? I find that hard to believe. Btw: A friend of mine told me the german army set up camp in the government district of Berlin on 9/11 -- before the events unfolded!

And isn't the astounding conformity of the western media regarding 9/11 direct proof of global elite backup? Have they just been taken hostage by radical zionist elements?

PS: Sorry, gotta run -- will respond to your post beneath later.
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gretavo's picture

Zionists are well represented in the media elite

In the US at least--how else to explain the grossly unbalanced coverage? Also, look at AIPAC--all I can ever think about AIPAC is WTF??

Perhaps the elite think the Zionists make good policemen of the masses? Perhaps the elites are themselves all Zionists? I don't really think that highly of Aaron Russo, though I know he's considered a saint by many. I'm especially wary of people who get these "amazing" tidbits from "insiders". Like Alex Jones predicting 9/11. Mm-hm, I say. Between clairvoyant, genius, or shill I think the latter best fits Alex Jones. I look at the whole NWO thing as equivalent to the Protocols - a fancy dressing up of the elite methods of control designed to thwart resistance to the very program it purports to expose.

bruce1337's picture

I completely agree with your last sentence

but as to the elite, I think zionists are pretty much the global bad cop fraction of it. Then again, all elites probably do support the state of Israel in more or less its current form -- does that make one zionist, already?
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gretavo's picture

sure, why not?

but there's also soft Zionism "Israel has a right to be a racist apartheid state" within its original borders and hard, or expansionist Zionism "Eretz Yisrael from the Nile to the Euphrates are the real borders" Both are unacceptable, and the elites with any sway seem to fall into one of those camps, but many I'm sure would opt out of any support for Zionism if such a move could be agreed on and implemented with the elites retaining their power--I suspect such a thing is inevitable given the demographic realities and the slow percolation of truth into the masses' coffee pot...

gretavo's picture

separating the issues further

to link the international banking cartel to Zionism isn't necessary or even wise since there isn't a clear direct link, at least not anymore.

Let me explain. Suppose that the whoel idea for Zionism was concocted either by or with the eager asisstance of the financial elite--does this mean that Zionism per se is wrong? No, it just means that as a project it was unfortunately taken up by the wrong people. And we have indeed known them by their fruits--instead of a wonderful and love filled haven for the world's Jews, Israel as created by the Zionists has become a lightning rod and catalyst for terrible relations between the world's Jews and non-Jews. If before people had to invent reasons for anti-semitism, now the causes are natural outcroppings of the reality of Zionist tactics and methods.

Now, on the other hand, and completely unrelated (unless you want to link them but you don't have to) some of the same international financial elite who thought they would help out Zionists for whatever reason are also those who enforce on the world a privatized system of monetary policy, one that subverts democracy and serves as a high-tech form of theft. let me explain that--whoever these bankers are, whether black, white, Jewish, or Lizard, it is clear that they use their system or allow their system to be used in ways that hurt you and me. We work all our lives depriving oursleves of luxuries, trading our efforts for dollars (or whatever) so that we can survive into our old age. These elites then go and print up gobs and gobs more dollars essentially to spread around to their friends in the form of loans with which to engage in business, thus causing the value of my own meager fortune to shrink. Is that fair to me? Shouldn't the fruits of my labor have SOME degree of permanence assuming that I am responsible and frugal? There is no safety net for me if everything I have saved could be wiped out at the whim of a few people who do absolutely nothing productive and yet somehow are given the privelege of creating money out of thin air! if this dynamic were not hidden behind the arcane language and practice of modern economics, would more people not be up in arms?

So on the one hand we're all being robbed, or at best kept in an artificially fixed form of indentured servitude. On the other, we have (among many other injustices around the world) a brutal theft of a people's land in Palestine. Caught in the middle of these realities are the worlds regular people who are made to fear, hate, and suspect one another. Those who benefit from the status quo (and they are legion) know full well that if it weren't for their efforts the vast majority of people's natural human instincts would lead them to work out their differences amiably, and so they know they cannot stop fabricating and falsifying reality or they will lose tehir privileged perch.

The Protocols serve to protect the elite (whether Jewish or not) because they serve to divide. One way they do this is by being so revealing of much of the elites' strategy. this makes them seem credible to some, who jump to the conclusion that if the program described is credible, then its basic nature (Jewish) must also be. But that is simply not so, or at least we can say that there is scant evidence for it. Have a number of Jewish people been duped into becoming apologists for Israel and Zionism? Of course! And they are just that--dupes! A bunch of non-Jews have also been duped into supporting absurd and destructive things by the same elites! Like Germans under Hitler. Was Hitler a good guy? No! Had Germany been screwed over big time before he came to power? Yes! Did anyone step up to accomplish what Hitler did in terms of raising the German people out of their miserable economic state and do it in a way that did not include the unjust scapegoating of all Jews as opposed to all elite and other schemers? Sadly, no, and we can certainly study history to find out why that wasn't so. Or why we as Americans allowed the response to 9/11 to be conducted in our name. In the case of many they were duped into supporting it by the lies of... George Bush? Well, yeah, but did Bush write those lies? Did Bush put a gun to Rupert Murdoch's head and force him not to broadcast a vigorous critique to the American people?

See how this works?

inside's picture

i just watched this video

i just watched this video yesterday.

http://www.kickthemallout.com/staticpages/index.php/Rapid-U_AIPAC_Israel...

pretty stunning..

bruce1337's picture

Again, I agree

with the exception of "if the program described is credible, then its basic nature (Jewish) must also be."

No -- its basic nature is political, manipulative, extortionist, supremacist conspiracy. Only the frequent use of "goyim" and references to King David, etc give it a zionist appearance -- but they're totally exchangeable.
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gretavo's picture

6 of one...

and a half dozen of the other. I think that my point was that because the Protocols are overtly purporting to be of specifically Jewish origin while otherwise outlining a not entirely implausible method of global divide and control, the natural assumption (and I assume the intended one) is that the methods are specifically Jewish methods. The objectively observable similarities between actual events and the program laid out in the Protocols provides them with the credibility while the Jewish angle provides them with their divisiveness. The question then is not "why are the Jews conspiring against the world" it is "why are those who seem to be conspiring against the world using Jews as a tool and as pawns" or "why does someone want us to think that those who seem to be conspiring against the world are using Jews as a tool and as pawns" or even "why does someone want us to think that the Jews are conspiring against the world."

Again I would argue that those who are most effectively conspiring against the world and in favor of their accumulation of power and wealth are an elite dominated by the families that control the largest banking interests and through them the economies of the entire world. If weapons can be wielded through the manipulation of public opinion, public opinion through the media, and the media through massive amounts of money, where else should we be looking for the power keeping the world's people from effectively expressing their will?

gretavo's picture

why are Jews used as pawns by the elite?

why are Americans, for that matter? In the case of Jews it could be argued that they are the ideal group to be manipulated in this way. Strong kinship bonds, presence throughout the world, a history of being made to feel like outsiders.

In a very different way Americans have presented the elites with another form of usefulness altogether. Their diversity and loose confederation as far as nationhood make them easy to divide. Their historic isolation has led to much peace and complacency. We have become like docile cows with their wild ancestry bred out of them, pumped up with hormones to produce unnatural amounts of milk (weapons of war) that we ourselves would never need.

I said before that I think America was Zion before Israel was, and not to necessarily religious folk--quite the opposite. To people who saw a world to conquer--the great game gone global. It doesn't matter that this game of domination is centuries old, it is now outdated as its pursuit increasingly threatens the very object/prize it covets (the earth) but it has developed a life of its own. As a meme it is self-sustaining up to the point that like many species before it whatever survival advantages it provided one day become liabilities and the negative traits are either selected out or the organism dies, possibly by killing its host (the environment.)

Now I'd be curious to hear what people think about the usual explanation for why it was a Jewish person, Meyer Rothschild (ne Bauer) who became the world's pre-eminent banker. My understanding is that Christianity, forbidding as it did the lending of money at interest, made it possible for Jewish people with no such rules (they couldn't technically lend at interest to other Jews but to anyone else they were allowed) to fill that much needed niche. Hardly the fault of Jews, or the result of a grand conspiracy. When Rothschild emerged in all his Machiavellian glory though, I would argue that his Judaism (if it was actually ever very strong) became irrelevant in the sense that he was not representative of all Jews by any means. He became one of the world's first and most succesful organized crime family leaders and naturally conspired with anyone he could buy. The taint of being a Jew in a still fairly medieval Europe of course meant that he would have felt much more comfortable keeping the power in the family--literally and figuratively as it were.

We could certainly argue about the history of the Christian church in Europe, its treatment of Jews generally, and its motives for consolidating and wielding the power it did. I think it could go a long way towards casting Jewish response to this organized persecution as something other than inherent anti-social insularism, racial chauvinism, and any number of other traits that some might try to argue are proof that "all the Jews have always conspired together for world domination because that's how they are". Why not look at history as simply having happened to evolve a man of unique genius (the original Rothschild) who by virtue of his membership in an unjustly outcast and persecuted group found it prudent to find the means to achieve power over a bunch of tyrants? And that after succeeding beyond anyone's wildest imagination, he and his descendants quite naturally became corrupted by their power? And that we trying in 2007 to understand all of this have an obstacle course of lies and misunderstandings to contend with, a protective thicket so dense that our efforts must reach remarkable levels of achievement to succeed--hence our difficulties and those of everyone who has tried before us to undo this gordian knot...

Keenan's picture

Ultimately it doesn't really matter which label to attatch

because it is like quick sand. I keep finding that the level of deception goes one layer deeper than I previously discovered. The rabbit hole, for all practical purposes, could be bottomless. Who knows where exactly the Zionists are in the org chart? The Zionists are likely being wittingly or unwittingly used by a higher level group of conspirators.

It is psychopathy - under any disguise - nazi, zionist, fundamental christian, republican, democrat, corporate ceo...That is the real dividing line - those of us with a conscience vs the 4% or so of human sub species without a conscience.

To get to the truth, we should all study - and understand - psychopathy and Political Ponerology. Dougls Reed's work would be a great back up to that, by the way.

gretavo's picture

Douglas Reed's Controversy of Zion

Seems to be pretty specific... check it out, folks--thoughts on this? It almost seems like an extension of Israel Shahak's work (Jewish History - Jewish Religion, The Weight of Three Thousand Years...)

What we're dancing around here is the famously controversial idea of a "Jewish Question" that is basically thi--how should the world view a people who have been fairly well united for over 2000 years and who live all over the world--as a threat? a nation? purely as a diaspora?

The "Final Solution" to the "Jewish Question", depending on who you ask (and what they think the answer to the Question is)is extermination (mainstream conception of the Nazi view), expulsion (without question part of the Nazi view), creation of a homeland (the Zionist view), promotion of universal tolerance (the progressive non-Zionist view)

Now, there are other diasporic peoples without a homeland, such as the Roma ("gypsies" in the non-PC term) but I daresay none have been around as long or as united as the Jewish people (Khazarian issues aside). I suppose Africans might count but their diaspora is not nearly as old.

So what's up with all this? Does it really have to be taboo to talk about? Especially if we do so while arguing categorically against racism and violence? Or are we non-Jews forever to be cursed with the suspicion of all wanting secretly to kill Jews? Can someone help this well-meaning but stubborn gentile see the light here?!

Keenan's picture

The key seems to be staying clear of stage-managed outcomes

It serves the purpose of the Zionist pathocrats to keep this subject of Zionism and the "Jewish Question" taboo, and they are masters at constructing stacked decks and five foot thick, steel reinforced, concrete emotional walls to keep it that way.

But, consider this scenario:
There is a very real possibility that the "Jewish/Israeli" connection to 9/11 will be revealed on a mass scale. Imagine this happening, in conjunction perhaps, with a revelation that the Holocaust was a "hoax". Then combine that with a very likely global economic collapse, whether engineered or not, that is worse than the Great Depression. Nazism will start looking like it had something going for it, huh? And a psychopathic party will rise to power on a 9/11 Truth / Anti-Israel platform. Think that is unrealistic?

Think about what happened in Germany after WWI. You may already know that after WWI, the Germans felt betrayed by "The Jews" for the destruction of Germany. Apparently a group of fanatic Zionists stage-managed events behind the scenes. With this belief widespread (and even granting its truthfulness), Hitler ascended to power like a seagull catching an updraft. The thing most people cannot grasp is that pathocrats gain support by using REAL ideologies that resonate with the people. But they twist them ever so slightly. Hitler merely used his anti-Jewish policy as a means to control, terrorize, and murder; to create a "better world" where psychological deviants can destroy the psyches of normal people.

So, I guess that yes, it is important to study Zionism and the history of the "Jewish Question" and learn as much as we can about the identity of the perps. I'm just afraid that if we ever get to the point where there is a mass consensus on "THE ZIONISTS DID IT! PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINEESS ONCE AND FOR ALL", the psychopathic pathocrats, who have no real loyalties to anybody or any ideology, might not just join the anti-Zionist bandwagon and simply change their clothes like chamelions and adopt a new group ideology or cover, and maintain their places at the top of the pyramid, and the cycle repeats itself again, and again, and again...until we somehow manage to wise up to their chamelian like shtick and their constant stage-managing of outcomes.

I don't think there is an easy answer to how to get the masses to wise up to this perpetual magic show, other than to keep educating people about the nature of psychopaths and theie pathocratic strategies.

Big_D's picture

Exactly, Keenan, the more you know, the less you know.

Whether it's the British Monarchs, Jesuits or Zionists they all have similar interests / goals. Only now the pie's a lot bigger & they don't have to fight amongst themselves as they once did. For instance, do some research on the original meaning of the term 'holocaust' & how it ties into so many catholic 'saints'.

One thing I know for sure, bankers are not the top of the pyramid. Throughout history bankers have only been pawns of the PTB. Somehow I don't think that much has changed.

juandelacruz's picture

after reading this thread,

after reading this thread, this passage really hit me

"In order to put public opinion into our hands we must bring it into a state of bewilderment by giving expression from all sides to so many contradictory opinions and for such length of time as will suffice to make the goyim lose their heads in the labyrinth and come to see that the best thing is to have no opinion of any kind in matters political..."

just kidding, got to study all the angles

Big_D's picture

The same passage ran through my mind.

I actually almost made that same point. However, that's not going to stop me from pointing out that something is rotten in matters of politics.

gretavo's picture

and that is exactly how people feel!

I hear it all the time--I realize we're being lied to constantly, but how can [poor little] I know WHAT to believe??

Like I said, you can take issue with a lot about the Protocls, but the same can be said of Machiavelli, but we study HIS work in colleges! This is MUCH better material to study to learn how evil cynics think. Why don't we just republish it and take out all references to Jews and Goyim?! Should be easy enough in a word processing program...

Lazlo Toth's picture

Wow, there sure are a lotta smart people on this site.

Great comments and writing. Thanks.

gretavo's picture

wouldn't be the same without YOU man

please keep writing, here or elsewhere--the world needs more like you!